Is it Unfair to Ask a Medium for Validation? Channeling Erik Medium Annoyed by Request for Evidence of Abilities

Warning: Rant ahead.

Jannecke Oinaes (that’s her in the picture above) is a spiritual researcher from Norway who has been interviewing many of the new and popular new age authors, mediums and spiritualists and posting these interviews to youtube.  Her website is Wisdom From North, and she posts on youtube under the same channel name.  I find many of her interviews fascinating, and you should definitely check out her work.

Most recently, she interviewed one of the mediums used by Channeling Erik, a woman by the name of Kim Babcock.  You can see many of her “celebrity interviews” on my post here, and if you aren’t familiar with Channeling Erik, a phenomenon that has captured a lot of attention, both positive and negative (including from me), you can read my post on it here.

Anyway, Jannecke procured a skype interview with Ms. Babcock with the intention of speaking with Erik Medhus, the deceased son of Dr. Elisa Medhus, founder of the Channeling Erik blog and author of two books about her communications with her son in the afterlife.

Right in the beginning of the interview, Jannecke asks a simple question for the purpose of validation.  Before I get into that, however, let’s discuss the roles and responsibilities of an evidential medium.  This definition is from Bob Olsen’s website.  Bob Olsen is the author of Answers about the Afterlife, and he also runs the BestPsychicMediums page which [claims to] test and certify mediums as genuine to avoid people getting ripped off by frauds.  [Updated 4/9/16 – see mindful’s comment about Bob Olsen in the comments section.  I’m keeping the definition in the post because I believe it is accurate, but I will be more closely investigating Bob’s vetting process for mediums]

What is “evidential” psychic mediumship?

by Bob Olson, BestPsychicDirectory.com, BestPsychicMediums.com & AfterlifeTV.com

An evidential mediumship reading usually begins with messages that give you evidence that your loved one in spirit is truly communicating with the psychic medium.

The reading with the psychic medium generally starts with physical evidence, such as what your loved one looked like, how she died, her age and her sex. The messages then describe your loved one’s personality, including what she liked and disliked, identifying speech patterns and unique characteristics about her that serve as evidence that it is truly her who is coming through in the reading. The psychic medium will likely even use words or phrases that your loved one would typically use. Then there will be some messages to describe your loved one’s history growing up, her family situation, marital status and if she has had any children or pets.

The purpose of evidential mediumship is to help you overcome any skepticism you might have about spirit communication. Evidential messages are the messages that people often describe as, “The psychic medium knew things about her that he could never have known unless he was in direct contact with her.” Then, after the evidence has been delivered, the psychic medium will present the messages that are meaningful though non-evidential.

© Copyright 2011 Bob Olson, BestPsychicDirectory.com, All Rights Reserved

Before we get into what happened between Jannecke and Kim Babcock, you should understand that Channeling Erik makes a lot of claims.  The mediums of Channeling Erik supposedly connect to Erik to get his views and opinions on everything from quantum physics to the Illuminati.  Erik can also supposedly bring in  any celebrity requested at the drop of a hat for an afterlife interview, including Jesus and Tupac.  And yet, despite all of these claims, I have never – not once – seen an interviewer ask for proof, evidence or validation that the medium is truly connecting with Erik (or any of these celebrities).

So imagine my glee when Ms. Jannecke Oinaes, in one simple question, encapsulates all of my frustrations and skepticism with regard to the Channeling Erik mediums.

After she verifies that the medium has a strong connection with the spirit of Erik, she asks if Erik can tell her “What is on my bed?”

So how does Ms. Kim Babcock, spirit translator, answer this question?

See for yourself.  Please skip forward to 4:08.

Kim, clearly uncomfortable, responds basically by telling her that Erik is annoyed by the question and that he can’t tell her what is on her bed because he can’t ‘see’ like we can.  Kim admonishes Jannecke for even asking the question, telling her that she should take what the spirit is offering on faith alone.  Kim claims that Erik says “I know I’m here, I don’t have to prove it to anybody.”  So Jannecke persists and asks if he can say anything about her as validation.  Kim responds weakly by telling Jannecke that she has disruptive sleep cycles.  Wow.

Kim continues her explanation with “It’s not the way I typically work with spirit”. So, she’s a medium that doesn’t provide validation or evidence?  To be honest, I don’t know how Kim works with spirit.  Perhaps she has a different kind of ability.  But she does represent herself as a medium who can channel various celebrities.  In fact, she even claimed to interview the spirits of the San Bernadino terrorists!

As for Erik’s excuse that he doesn’t have physical eyes to see, perhaps that’s true.  Who am I to say how the spirit world works?  But since Erik is so adept at bringing in celebrities for his mother to interview like Hitler, Jesus, John F. Kennedy and you name it.. couldn’t he have simply brought in one of Jannecke’s deceased relatives to give her the evidence she was asking for?  I can’t imagine it would have been too much to ask for a spirit who has claimed to bring in aliens and Einstein and Abraham Lincoln to go get Jannecke’s deceased Norwegian grandpa for a brief little validating chat.

Just seven hours ago, Kim Babcock supposedly connected with none other than The Virgin Mary.  Yes, the mother of Jesus Christ.  I won’t embed the video, but if you want to watch it, here’s the link: https://youtu.be/NgB3UWLJcjY

So Kim Babcock wants us believe that she is communicating with the mother of Jesus Christ and take it at face value, and yet she gets ‘annoyed’ by a simple question asked by Jannecke to validate her abilities?

I am disappointed.  Until Channeling Erik and the mediums they promote provide the type of evidence that good mediums give to their sitters, I will be suspect. I don’t feel I’m asking for a lot compared to the claims that are made by CE and their mediums.  The readers and members of the Channeling Erik blog should demand better.

I believe in the gift of mediumship, but my search for life after death is based on evidence; not blind faith or wishful thinking.

Do you think I’m being too harsh and unfair to Kim Babcock?  Do you think the Channeling Erik blog and mediums have a responsibility to provide some evidence with their claims or do you think that I should leave Channeling Erik to those who are willing to believe on faith alone?

[UPDATE 4/23:  Jannecke also had an interview with Channeling Erik medium Jamie Butler earlier than the interview with Kim Babcock.  In that video, linked here, she asks Jamie to ask Erik for validating evidence to prove that Jamie is really speaking with Erik.  Jamie tells Jannecke that he sees her getting out into nature when she’s feeling overwhelmed, and that she jogs down to the end of this pier by a large lake in loose drawstring pants with the cuffs rolled up.  I was curious to know if this was a true vision, so I contacted Jannecke herself and got this response:

“All I would like to say is that Erik or Jamie was 100 % correct about the visions at the lake. It amazed me.”

It is very interesting to compare the experience Jannecke had with medium Kim Babcock and medium Jamie Butler, where one was able to produce a true psychic vision (whether it was from Erik or not) and the other refused to, and claimed Erik the spirit became annoyed by the question.  Take from it what you will.]

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54 thoughts on “Is it Unfair to Ask a Medium for Validation? Channeling Erik Medium Annoyed by Request for Evidence of Abilities

  1. Dude. DUDE! I was just thinking about this over the last day and a half. I found channeling Erik a few months ago and was intrigued, watched probably every show. Maybe it’s male logic but I never understood why if they had this ability why they won’t go all out with legitimate testing. I think the mother is honest and believes whole heartedly, perhaps that’s enough for her.

    I saw the episode where she asked for validation a while back and my stomach was in knots listening to the awkward response. Then I saw the Virgin Mary episode where there are obvious conflicting answers versus the Jesus channeling. I actually was going back and forth in the comments section with a guy who was calling them frauds.

    I have a few theories what is going on but in my gut I don’t believe Kim, or the other 2 mediums I’ve seen channel Erik, are flat out lying. If Kim were going to lie her way through the Virgin Mary interview you don’t think she would be bothered to watch the Jesus one to make sure they line up? Without getting too far down the rabbit hole, the answer that fits for me right now is that they are channeling something that isn’t exactly what they think it is. Either it’s just an aspect of their own psyche, an entity pretending to be that being, or there are multiple versions of that entity. Kinda like an egregore, or astral thoughtform that exists because of peoples’ belief in it. I’ve seen accounts of people channeling sponge bob characters for example.

    Ive also read accounts where someone has channeled so called dead relatives that allegedly turned hostile when pressed for proof. They were religiously biased though so take that for what it’s worth.

    People assume either it’s real or they’re liars but there’s dozens of possibilities in between.

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  2. Terry,
    This is so funny! I think you must have inspired me to write this post, because I decided to address it after reading all of the comments on that video! I also remember listening to the Jesus video, and I was struck by the fact that Mary said one thing and Jesus said something completely different about the manner of his birth. I was glad that Elisa Medhus did actually bring it up in the video. I suppose that if Kim had forgotten what was said in the Jesus video, she could have gotten out of it somehow, but she did stick to her guns. So, here’s my theory on the Channeling Erik mediums. First, I haven’t made up my mind on Jamie Butler, however in one of the comments someone (was it you, maybe?) mentioned that in the same interview from Wisdom from North, she asked Jamie Butler the very same question, and Jamie answered it (I guess through Erik). I’m going to try to find that video and verify if its true. If that’s the case, then first I’d want to know if she got the question right. Secondly, I’d want to know why if Erik was willing to do it the first time, why not the second?

    To address the second part of your question, yes – it is possible that they are channeling an aspect of the entity of the virgin mary or something else completely. Seth talks a lot about his higher self, Seth 2, which has a totally different perspective than he does. I’m reminded of the interview that Jamie Butler did with Hitler where she started attempting to speak with the very stiff and unrepentant Hitler, then the higher aspect, or ‘soul aspect’ of Hitler comes through to talk on behalf of not only his experience in that lifetime, but who he is as a summation of lives. It gets confusing.

    My other practical answer is that mediumship or channeling is a continuum of outside and inside thought. Spirits always complain about the contamination of thought through various mediums, and mediums are typically judged by how little distortion they can provide while connecting with spirits. It may be that Kim and some of the other CE mediums (specifically Ailfinn) have a high level of distortion. Its also possible that mediums who aren’t as well developed can only feel emotions, not necessary ‘hear’ facts.

    I did a post where I listed every “celebrity” interview I could find on youtube. Not surprisingly the vast majority came from CE mediums. In one instance, the medium Alison Ailfinn contacted Jane Boleyn. The woman who was interviewing her asked all kinds of emotional questions which were answered in lengthy detail. When she asked Ann what age she was when she died, Alison couldn’t give her a number. She said something to the effect of, “I’m feeling that she was on either side of 30?” So what is the difference between facts and emotional detail? Why can some mediums pull out names, dates and locations and others can’t?

    That’s hilarious that you’ve heard people channel sponge bob. Interestingly, there could be something to the idea that we can create independent thought forms that have a sort of consciousness of their own; I believe that’s why super religious people are the only one that ever seem to get possessed. Over the centuries so many Christians believed in these demonic forces that their shared belief gave energy and identity to them. Now, when belief and fear of these thought forms are strong, they attract these artifacts of fear into their lives and give them energy and validity. That does give me hope that I may finally meet the Jolly American Santa Claus on the other side. I’m sure generations of children have created this magical figure. It would be really interesting to know if that is true, does he haunt houses at Christmastime, adding Christmas spirit to the mix, eating the cookies and thumping around on the roof? I’m going to have to see if I can dig up stories of Santa Claus hauntings. Could make for a light-hearted post next Christmas. 🙂

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    1. If you haven’t found it yet, here’s the same video with Jamie Butler https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTy5uQ8sxpc

      She gets into the validation deal at about 15 minutes in…. interesting to see Jamie handles in completely differently than Kim did and even appears to challenge Erik on the lack of information at one point. Not a concrete validation in my opinion but it seamed to be enough to convince the host. In this interview Erik says he can come over to the hosts home and look around, in Kim’s he said he can’t because he doesn’t have physical eyes.

      To me, Jamie seams leagues better than Kim, in an almost too good to be true kind of way. Also, the fact she’s charging $600 a session, and has become too expensive for Elisa to even use, bothers me. In any event, something seams a little ‘off’ with this group, and I honestly don’t believe it’s flat out deception on the part of the mediums. I hope it’s only a matter of time before Elisa starts getting suspicious enough to start forcing some hard questions.

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      1. Terry, thank you so much for finding this video! So, this is a fantastic comparison. The question happens about 15:30. Jannecke asks if Erik can tell her anything about her, something Jamie wouldn’t know. Jamie doesn’t hesitate, she tells Jannecke that she ‘sees her jogging down to the end of this dock’ by water, like a large lake and that she wears loose pants with the cuffs rolled up. He also says that when she feels crazy, she needs to get out in nature. So at first its hard to read Jannecke’s face, but a few minutes later she verifies what Jamie says exactly, saying that she does go to this dock by the water, and yes – she does need to go out to nature when she feels crazy or stressed. I would say that is a hit though a quick google search reveals that Jannecke lives in Oslo, Norway – a city on the water with many small bodies of water inland, so I suppose it could be a good educated guess too. I guess it depends on how right the guess was – does she really jog to a dock at the end of a lake with her cuffs rolled up, or does she maybe visit a lake in a car and just made it fit because it’s “close enough”? As you’ve stated, Jamie also says that Erik can go to her apartment and look around. So this is directly opposite from what Kim says about Erik. I’m going to contact Jannecke directly and ask her.

        I’m still unsure about Jamie. It does feel too good to be true. I want to believe that she has the abilities she claims, but without any real evidence, I just don’t know. Unfortunately, I could never afford the $600 she asks for a session. Her prices are astronomical and only were raised after she received so much publicity through Channeling Erik. When the blog first came online, Jamie was charging a far more reasonable $150. You would think that Jamie would give Elisa a discount for the publicity, but I’ve heard Elisa say that Jamie was too expensive. It might be why she reached out to other mediums that I would consider.. eh, iffy. My point with all of this is that Channeling Erik makes a lot of claims that aren’t backed up with evidence of any kind. I would have liked to see more rigor and a higher standard applied to these mediums, ensuring themselves and us – the readership – that due diligence was done and these mediums have been vetted. With an open Wikipedia page and a little psychology, I could probably reproduce any one of those celebrity interviews, no psychic abilities needed. I suspect that in some cases, that’s exactly what is happening. That bothers me. Thanks again, Terry!

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  3. You can go and listen to the Annie Nanji tapes with Flint, where she describes what’s in her husband’s house all of the time, among many other areas of evidence. If it’s the real deal, there’s no issues with detecting what’s in somebody’s bedroom. For Pete’s sake, I can go out of my body myself and see what’s down the hall, using my ethereal eyes, without any problem, so why can’t they? It’s just that ‘the real deal’ involves seances and a medium dedicated to months of work building the connection. As for Channeling Erik, I really lost respect after the acclaimed San Bernardino shooter came through. I know it’s not objective to say it, but it just… didn’t feel right.

    ~ Cyrus Kirkpatrick

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    1. Cyrus! I’m so glad to see you around the site! [Hey everyone, Cyrus wrote an amazing book on the afterlife, called “Understanding Life After Death: An Exploration of What Awaits You, Me and Everyone we’ve ever Known” Go check it out, or read my review.] Cyrus, it was from your book that I learned about the Leslie Flint tapes, and I am fascinated especially by Annie Nanji and her conversations with her husband. [For those that do not know, Leslie Flint was one of the best physical mediums of the 20th century. He could produce a type of voice box that allowed people to speak with their loved ones directly, hearing their own voice. In this case, a husband was able to speak to his beloved wife over years through Leslie. Their conversations were highly evidential – she would say, “I saw you fixing the picture frame yesterday” or “You are still putting the sheets on wrong.”] Cyrus, you brought up a great point by comparing this to the evidence of other spirit communications where spirits definitely could ‘see’ what was happening. Your out of body experience and those of others that I have read have also shown that it is possible – for example, people have tested themselves by attempting to read letters in a remote spot (very hard to do & remember when you wake up!) and apparently, many have been successful. I’m glad that you have shared your honest feelings about the Channeling Erik mediums, or more specifically, Kim Babcock who supposedly channeled the San Bernadino shooters. I was very disturbed by it also. First, it seemed in poor taste. Secondly, it just didn’t feel real. I think you hit the nail on the the head.. it doesn’t feel right. I agree. Thank you so much for visiting and for your comment! Hope to see you around soon!

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    2. Thanks for the info on the Annie Nanji stuff…I had never heard of this medium before. Fascinating stuff. I got very little done at work today once I started reading into some of the transcripts.

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  4. This is just flat out embarrassing to watch 🙂 And I give a lot of props to the interviewer for pushing a bit – because truth (and trust) matter more in these sacred spaces, than just about anywhere else. Any “spirit” that doesn’t intuitively understand that, seems to be a spirit not worth paying much attention to one breath later.

    But here is the larger problem. By dint of quoting Bob Olson as a harbinger of what “an evidential medium is”, you are sort of adding to the problem. Bob Olson runs a paid Yelp like directory for mediums. He has built a thriving business on listing “the best psychic mediums” in the world….without speaking to a fraction of them directly. The vast majority of folks featured on his site as the best of the best……are paying for that privilege. This is no different than the financial bubble of 10 years ago – where you had stock advisors recommending dot com investments that they were overpriced, overrated and doomed to disappoint……but the broker made a profit everytime a client bought the stock. In the end – the folks holding the bag – are the public.

    Bob, who is a super nice guy – has yet to meet and interview a medium he hasn’t been super impressed with 🙂

    His interviews are credulous…..he asks questions that very rarely are designed to press, prod or push for truth and would much rather ingratiate the interviewee with effusive praise for their poetic “prose”…even when it’s not warranted. (much like the “medium” in this interview started to default to a word salad of silliness about “awareness” or telling the interviewer she was “empathic” or on the spiritual growth continuum……the same spiritual silliness of empty noises most folks make after reading one Depak Chopra book too many) In my view – if, as folks who are interested in this in a way that matters – it’s up to us, as an audience – to demand more, and better and prove that we aren’t sheep who nod and bob our heads in agreement just because we want to believe.

    As a side note –

    I know many of the same psychic mediums listed on Bob’s site (as I run a business that does similar work – happy to share that with Jenn privately if she wants a link) – and i can tell you with 100% certainty…….you ain’t gonna be all that impressed with many of these folks when the cameras arent’ rolling. Many (most) are very nice people – but in terms of actual intuitive ability beyond the ordinary, or TRUE evidential mediumship that would convince an open minded but self aware skeptic who values truth, trust and empirical information (and inspiration) good luck! 🙂

    I recently saw Roland Comtois (known for his “Purple Paper” readings) in a super small setting here in south Florida with a close friend – a doctor – who had lost his father a few years ago. I’ve known Roland a bit from my work – although only online and via email – and there was no way for him to recognize me or that in this setting. IT was quite an interesting experience – where for about 3 hours – he said a lot of things – to a lot of the people in the room (about 16 of us) that were very general – very universal – and not all that evidential. (to me) Nonetheless – some of what he said was clearly so specific….and so detailed – and so personally powerful to the people in the room – that people were in tears for most of the session. During a brief intermission, my friend (the doctor) and I went outside to his car and sat and discussed what we had experienced thus far. He was more impressed than I was, but said – “you know what – I DON’T want my dad to come through – I wouldn’t be comfortable in this room hearing from him with other people around – and it just feels to private of an experience to share with others – if any of this is even real. I’d love if he pulled me aside after the event to tell me something in private, but I hope he doesn’t talk to me in front of the group”

    Anyway – when the session was winding to a close – Roland, out the blue – points to the 2 of us and says – would you mind staying for a few minutes afterwards? He proceeds to pull a chair up for my friend – and tells him – almost verbatim – what he said to me in the car – and in about 10 minutes – says about 25 things about my friend – his father – the death – and our work that was eerily accurate and on point, and absolutely impossible for him to know.

    This is the strength of this work to me – the mundane and the misses – mixed in with the magic. The interview above – the channeling erik silliness for book sales and private membership sites and other nonsense – the “medium” above with her defensive facial expressions and body language that revealed much more than her words ever could….those of are the people the rest of us should have a zero tolerance policy for – when they sell us one thing….and try to tell us another when pressed. And until that day comes – very few will take this work – our our words – very seriously.

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    1. HI mindful,

      Wow, I’m glad that you’ve been honest with me about Bob Olsen. I guess I honestly thought that he was one of the few that stuck by his word – that he personally vetted all of the mediums on his site. I will now have to look more closely at what Bob is trying to do with his site, and reach out to him to find out what his methods for ‘vetting’ and ‘testing’ these mediums are. If you are suggesting that Bob Olsen is prioritizing money over quality of service and presenting mediums who are either mediocre or outright frauds, then that is unacceptable and I will take a closer look. Thank you.

      I sounds like you had a really incredible experience with that medium. It’s wonderful to hear about an experience that was clearly so evidential that it leaves you with the knowing that, despite all of the charlatans and lairs out there that seem to be far more numerous than those with genuine talent, mediums with real abilities do exist and mediumship – real mediumship – is worth fighting for. For mediumship as well as any other aspect of spiritual phenomena to have an ounce of credibility, the consuming public must demand more from those who make such grandiose claims. Also, to try to get through to those who look on with awe and wide eyes anyone who claims to be a medium, even when they don’t provide a shred of real evidence as ‘evidential mediums’ do. The ‘sheep’ as you’ve said. I see far too many sheep around these new-agey sites – to the point that I promised myself that my blog would not be blue and not have clouds, rainbows, crystals, prisms, angels or any of the other new-age symbols that I feel very allergic to. I’m sick of it. Can we not have a real, rational conversation about evidential spirituality? Anyway, that’s what I hope to do.

      Thank you for your insightful post and for the warning about Bob; I will surely take what you’ve said into consideration and I will put a note in the post for readers to see your comment so they can make up their own minds.

      Jenn

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    2. Would you please pm me the link to your site? I am taking notes on your thread and you make some great points. Thank you!

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  5. Thanks, Jenn – on much of this stuff, I think we agree!

    I don’t mean to “warn” anyone about Bob Olson though – I would simply ask you to go look at his site. He is running a business. There is nothing wrong with that – unless of course, you think he’s not.

    For example –

    Is he charging to be “featured” on the site – in a more prominent way, yes or no? (last I looked it was $99 a month for a featured ad and there were about 100 people per month paying that – meaning just on the “premium” listings, it’s a 6 figure income stream)

    Is this a carefully collected list of obscurely talented psychics and mediums…..or can many of the psychics found on the directory also be found on sites like Yelp, YP (yellow pages.com) and local directories, yes or no?

    Do some of the “best” mediums found on his site also work for KEEN, and pay per call phone psychic networks, yes or no? (simply follow the links from many of their profiles to their websites to test this yourself)

    Watch the video interviews Bob does on afterlife TV. Does that level of inquiry meet the level of what one would expect in a vigorous testing of a psychic or medium worthy of being deemed “the real deal”? Compare that against what the Windbridge Institute does to validate mediums, or even an organization like the Forever Family Foundation?

    (both of which AREN’T profiting from making recommendations to the public – which is obviously a critical point in ANY industry that is regulated or has some sort of certification body that governs it – clearly “ours” does NOT 🙂

    Simply stated – I’m not judging. But It’s a business.

    Bob Olson runs a business that is predicated on ranking highly in the search results for psychics and mediums across the USA – (he also runs paid Google ads to accomplish the same) – which leads to people in the general public looking for mediums to end up on his site – feel like the site is a credible collection of the best mediums – and click through the links to individual sites to get a reading…..and feel like the psychic they’ve picked has been carefully chosen as one of the “best” in the world. (by virtue of having been found on Bob’s site)

    This is 100% untrue of course – and while there ARE some mediums on his directory who are very well known (James Van Praagh types, and many other talented local mediums worthy of attention) – the VAST majority are just local yokel struggling people trying to make a name for themselves as mediums. (and are often school teachers, nurses, firefighters, accountants, etc….in real life 🙂

    I run a similar site with partners – and many of these same people pay us to be “featured” on a monthly basis – although we don’t make any claims about how good they are on that basis. (we just feature them more prominently on the page, which means they get more attention from our audience)

    Anyway – my apologies for the long winded comments – I’m passionate about this field – and frustrated as much (if not more) by the home team….as i am with the guys on the other side of the field.

    For some good news – as a counter point to the interview above – check out the interview Rick Archer did last week with Suzanne Giesmann. She is also a very well known author and medium (and former high ranking Navy officer) – and while I still found some of her answers to more pressing questions a bit ambiguous and unclear – she emanates a sort of authenticity and sincerity that is hard to miss.

    https://batgap.com/suzanne-giesemann/

    PS – I’m also from NJ – Moorestown, not Morristown – but everyone always thinks it’s the same place:-)

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    1. mindful,

      I think you made very valid points that are worth considering and because, as you’ve mentioned, you work with something similar, I’m sure you understand the ins and outs in a way that I don’t. Your questions are something I wouldn’t have considered. For that, I really appreciate your input. I still like Bob Olsen’s book, but I will be less willing to throw him out there as a paragon of saintly service to the medium community until I look a bit closer. Never apologize for long comments! Conversation is good, healthy and important. Thank you for the link – I did read a book by Suzanne Giesemann; she did the book “the priest and the medium’ if I remember correctly. I will look forward to her interview. Moorestown! At the opposite end of New Jersey from me, then! I live near Morristown, funny enough. Well, it’s always nice to have another Jerseyan around, tough people we are. 🙂

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  6. Hi Jenn, thanks for the warm welcome.

    A medium worth their salt should participate in having their own abilities questioned, and should avoid credulous shoulder patting. Why? Because a medium, especially a mental one, is subject to their own subconscious mind. In other words, they can be at risk of self-deception.

    Physical mediumship leaves a lot less to the imagination. I’ve been following some physical mediums at the moment, and it takes months / years for their circles to develop. I see them posting weekly updates. Dedicated mediums sitting every other night, usually with no results, in the dark for hours. When something does happen, the medium is often as shocked as the sitters. This isn’t the behavior of a group of frauds trying to make a buck. Unless having a part time job for 5+ years with no pay or recognition is appealing to con artists (talk about the long con).

    I think there’s a couple of fake physical mediums floating around (I won’t name names), and there was a lot of fakes back in the 1900s. But there’s far fewer today because you just can’t get away with faking outstanding phenomena anymore when you can analyze video and photographs.

    Based on recent investigations, I am leaning toward even David Thompson, the famous Australian physical medium, being the real deal. There’s a couple of others I know about who don’t demonstrate publicly, but they reinforced to me that yes, the dead really are materializing in certain conditions and interacting with people.

    I’ll be going into this topic a lot more in the sequel to “Understanding Life After Death” i’m working on called “Understanding Spirit Communication”. Although I have no ETA when it’ll be finished. I need to get off my butt, travel to these different circles around the globe (and try to raise the appropriate money to do so). So, maybe next year at this point 😉

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    1. Cyrus,

      One of the things I really found fascinating about your book is that you went far more in depth about physical mediumship than most. Many writers and researchers are more than willing to disregard physical mediumship as an embarrassing relic of the past, but you made me think of it in a new way. Thanks for the recommend of David Thompson, I’m going to check out his work. Congrats on starting a new book! I’m sure it will awesome and I have no doubt that if you are meant to write it, the funds will somehow appear. 🙂

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  7. There is a whole spiritual movement of interaction occurring right now at this stage of the evolution of humankind. Here in Brazil., the spiritist and spiritualist lines of faith are expanding constantly. Both work with direct mediumnistic communications. At the house I frequent, every fortnight, Saturday night sessions are held, as they are also held in thousands of other similar houses around Brazil, and in these sessions there are indeed mediumnic incorporations and spiritual communications. It is a reality that is spreading, despite all the skepticism and religious fanatics, as is the knowledge of this reality, hesitantly and slowly but steadily, and in its time…

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  8. Jenn, Terry, Mindful, Cyrus, Charles — I find this kind of exploration extremely useful! I am currently trying to find my way beyond rock star mediums and the marketing machine of New Age business enterprises in search of the truth. I am an open-minded skeptic searching for validation to offset my eagerness to believe in an afterlife and a much more loving and organized universe. Last year I attended my first afterlife conference to get more information on how mediums work, and that is where I first encountered the research work of Gary Schwartz. I must say that one of the motivating factors that got me to take that trip to Arizona was my fascination from watching Jamie Butler’s celebrity and historical character sessions on YouTube. They intrigued me (even if the questions were often frustratingly banal for what was alleged to be happening) and I wanted to get more input about her apparently easy, no-trance-needed conversational style with spirits. I saw a lot of wonderful potential in the idea of connecting with the so-called dead, and I was also intrigued with Gary Schwartz’s work on the so-called soul phone.

    Bottom line is that I think it is entirely appropriate to seek proof/evidence that the entity coming through a medium is who s/he says s/he is. My flashing amber lights go off when spirits (or mediums) duck questions that seek specificity, answering instead with spiritual platitudes and material easily found in books about spirituality. To me, especially since the departure of Jamie Butler, the Channeling Erik enterprise seems more like party entertainment than serious spiritual inquiry. I applaud those open-minded skeptics who push back with follow-up questions to cheesy answers. (In Jamie’s case, I so wish that her friend Marco Pardi would conduct interviews with historical characters!)

    I must also add that I had a negative reaction when I first found out about a year ago that Bob Olson ran a paid referral site for mediums. Something about it did not feel right, and now after reading what Mindful wrote, it seems even more suspicious. Of course I would want to know how Mindful came up with the information about Bob’s practices, especially about not vetting. If it’s true it’s sad, just like another kind of referral service that takes advantage of people’s vulnerability. I think there is much material here in a general way (for a book?) about how some of what goes on in mediumship circles clouds the whole area of serious afterlife research. Sometimes I even catch myself even wondering how sincere Gary Schwartz is. He seems very sincere to me, and I loved his books, but is that just my wishful thinking? Of course a working soul phone would dispel doubts.

    I don’t get very excited about the concept of fraud. If it happens, it happens. I get much more excited about cases where certain mediums do their best to aid and assist afterlife research. Cooperation is what gets me going!

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    1. Joshua, I have been “working” on and off as an incorporation medium for almost 20 years now. In Brazil there are 2 lines of religion known as Candomblé and Umbanda that derive from native religions and rituals of Africa, brought to Brazil in the times of slavery, which was only abolished here as recently as 1888, less than 130 years ago.

      Umbanda derives from the original African Candomblé, practised by the Yoruba tribes of Congo and Angola, but blended with the philosophy of Kardecist Spiritism, or Christian Spiritism, whose foundations of reincarnation and spiritual evolution were laid out in the 5 books compiled by Frenchman Alan Kardec (a pen name) with a system of questions and answers given by diverse incorporated mediums. I would definitely recommend you read “The Spirit’s Book” and “The Gospel According to Spiritism”. Both are excelent.

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      1. That is fascinating! I don’t know much about native and indigenous religions of Africa. That sounds very interesting – I’ll have to put that on my book list for further study. Thanks for enlightening me to this.
        -Jenn

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        1. Alan Kardec’s books are excellent, Jenn. I read “The Spirits’ Book” when I was just 15. I believe it is the most comprehensive book ever written on spirituality. Another of Kardec’s books is called “The Book of Mediums”. Also a very worthy read. His 5 books were written and published in France in the 1850s and 60s, and are not related to the African line of Candomblé. They formed the basis of what is known as Kardecist Spiritism or Christian Spiritism. The essence is mediumnic communication with spiritual entities and their teachings concerning the spiritual evolutionary process of sequential reincarnations. “We are born, live, die and are born again. Such is the law.”

          The African heritage was mostly oral and ritualistic, but both converge on the issue of mediumnic manifestations. Umbanda is a line which developed here in Brazil from the combination of Spiritism, initially developed by Kardec and his research, published in his books, and the African rituals and traditions of Candomblé.

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    2. I totally agree with you – and trying to wade through the sensationalism and fraud is very taxing. Mindful mentioned the Forever Family Foundation which has a certification of sorts for mediums – I haven’t investigated it more than a cursory glance but its on my list of things to do.

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  9. Kim just did an interview with Mother Mary and Jesus again and completely contradicted what Jamie said. I wanted to believe in all this and now I feel shaken. I want to believe what Jamie said. It made the whole world and everything make sense to me. Now Kim is saying the Bible is true and it really goes against everything else that we have learned through these channelings. Kim said in the channeling that Jamie had it wrong with her “filters”. From my perceptive, Jamie had detail and the story made sense and Erik was helping through out the channeling and with Kim’s no specific information in fact she went on and on about how she didn’t understand what his signals to her meant, he was silent when she asked questions and 3 waves were there that she didn’t understand and Erik wasn’t helping. It’s kind of upsetting because I really feel Elisa is trying to set the record straight, but Kim is getting in the way????? IDK! With Jamie Butler: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oi130bfr7oY Most recent with Kim: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EyXwz3C25WA

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    1. ignore all of that look at the real evidence like physical mediums good mediums evp its past life stuff ndes obes death bed visions and all that

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    2. Mary,
      That is disturbing. I have my issues with Kim Baabcock. I have no proof that she is a fraud, and yet I don’t have much faith in her channeling abilities either. I would believe Jamie over Kim if I had to make a choice. Then again, my advice to you would be to compare what they have said against other spirits who have claimed to contact biblical figures. Widen your reading and research so you can compare and contrast. Check http://www.spiritwritings.com, there are a lot of free channelings there and several that are Christian oriented. Channeling is difficult to trust because of lack of any proof or validation. Look deeply into the personal life of the channeler, their motivations and reputation. Do they seem to want fame and fortune? Is the material sophisticated and full of detail or does it seem made up on the spot? Does the channeler miss detail that the spirit in question should know? Is it a bunch of platitudes? After all this time, I still only trust one channeler. .. Jane Roberts. So don’t lose faith. Channeling is the hardest thing to use as evidence of the afterlife. Maybe switch to reading some NDE or death vision reports for a while. They always lift my spirits when I’m doubting.

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      1. Hey, thanks for your reply, and thanks for the website suggestion! Did you watch the two videos? You know. I am going to do a little more NDE research because I wonder if people from different religions see different things when they die. I have a suspicion that our belief systems effect what we see when we first pass because it is so hard to separate from them. I sincerely believe that Kim is genuine. I am going to give her the benefit of the doubt for now, but I think your belief system can effect changelings. I think she is a strong Christian that would be to overwhelmed if her belief system was shaken and so she couldn’t filter the info correctly? I really don’t know any of this. I am just surmising because I really do believe that Jesus was a man and the Bible is full of stories were blown way out of proportion. Once again though, even though that is what makes the most sense for so many reasons, and I do believe in a higher power, by the way, I don’t claim to know these things. I’ve had my beliefs turn upside down and I just want to know the truth about this Jesus thing. I’m going to keep searching. thanks for telling me about Jane Roberts too!

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        1. Hi to both of you.

          As it seems that it is indeed the “Soul-Consciousness” that can and does create “reality”, this appears to be even more so upon the more subtle energies of the “Spiritual Realms”, and therefore, to a large extent, it is said that yes, what we encounter after physical death is very much in ressonance with what we believe and “create”. It is the vibrational ressonance of thought-consciuousness that also very much determines in what “Realm” we will find ourselves after physical death. Apparently there are nine realms, or dimensions, and our three-dimensional physical realm (four, if we consider “time”) is the central one. Therefore there would also be four “higher realms” or dimensions and four “lower ones”. This is mediumnistic.

          In the African lines of belief, there is an Orisha known as Oxalá (pronounced Ohshallah), whose name means “The Son of Allah”, the “Son of God”. When I learned of this, and having been raised an Anglican Protestant in my childhood, I could not help to be struck by such a “coincidence”. According to the African legends of the Yoruban tribes from Congo, Angola and Moçambique, brought to Brazil, where I live, by African slaves, Oxalá was the 1st created male being, to whom Olorun, the “Creator God”, delegated his powers of Allahbalasheh, which means “he who detains the power of Creation”.

          Oxalá is reverenced as “the father of all the Orishas”, the eldest, whose element is the air, and in Brazil the African Orishas were synchretized with several of the Catholic Saints. Oxalá, I believe only too obviously, was associated to Jesus Christ.

          No, Jesus was not “God”. How could he be “God” if he prayed to God? “Father, forgive them for they know not what they are doing…” He was, and is, the “Son of God”, the “Master of Masters” and “King of Kings”.

          Jesus also spoke very clearly of reincarnation. Sadly the interpretation of men has always been the interpretation of men, and much of what is in the Holly Bible is just that – the interpretation of men:

          John 3:2-12

          “Master, we know that you have come in the name of God to instruct us as a doctor, for no one could perform the miracles that you have made if God were not with him. And Jesus replied to him: In truth I say to thee. No one can see the kingdom of heaven if he is not born again.

          Nicodemus then asked: How can a man who is already old be born again? Can he enter his mother’s womb, to be born a second time?

          And again Jesus replied: In truth I say to thee that if a man is not reborn of water and spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit. Do not be startled by what I have said to thee, that it is necessary to be born again. The Spirit blows where it will, and you hear its voice, but you know not where it comes from or where it goes. It is the same with every man who is born of the Spirit.

          So Nicodemus asked him: How can this be? And Jesus replied: What then! Thou who art a master in Israel ignores such things? In truth I say to thee that we do not speak of that which we do not know, and that we do not witness if not what we have seen; but still you will not receive our testimony. If you do not believe me when I speak to you of the matters of the Earth, how then will you believe me when I speak of the matters of heaven?”

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          1. Wow, that was a well-put together comment, and very interesting. Have you read the gnostic gospels? Especially the gospel of Mary is fascinating. Jesus talks about the fact that there is no sin, and that the kingdom of heaven is inside of each of us. I can see why the power-hungry early church didn’t want to include these in the bible! Thank you for that interesting information about the African gods – I confess that I know little of the religions and beliefs of that region.

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            1. I have read parts of them, Jenn, and know a bit about them, yes. Have always been interested in anything related. It has actually been quite a ride, I must say… 🙂

              The “Orishas” are said to be emanations of God. All things hold a form of consciousness as they all derive from the Greater Consciousness that gave origin to all things. Hence each Orisha corresponds to a force of nature. Yemanjá, who is associated to the Virgin Mary, is associated to the sea. Ogum, associated to Saint George, to steel. Oshum to the rivers. Iansan to the winds and rain. Oxalá to the air…

              The African mythology is really quite beautiful. They were much more in close contact with nature than our ancestors up North, so they were far more in syntony with the forces of nature. Sadly they were terribly persecuted by the white Christians, and their beliefs regarded as devil worship and witchcraft, when in fact I can tell from experience that it is not that at all. It is truly quite beautiful, and yes, it is based on mediumnistic phenomenon.

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        2. Hey there! I confess I didn’t watch the two videos, but I have seen more than my fair share of both Kim and Jaime’s videos to know what Kim’s video is probably like. I will try to watch it, just been a bit busy this week. With a figure such as Jesus, I think it going to be very hard to get at any sort of truth because like you said – so many people have pre-concieved notions about who he was that their filters are going to get in the way, and their truth will become distorted. As for NDEs – all of my research suggests that especially with regard to near-death experiences, the ‘afterlife’ the person experiences is highly subjective and tailored to who they are and what they need to see. The afterlife has often been explained as a thought based reality – even Seth says that we will hallucinate the afterlife we expect because otherwise the change will become very disorienting. So when I read or watch NDE experiences, I always take the imagery as a clue into who the person is and how the NDE was most effective for them. Read my post on “Miracles from Heaven’; I talk about why Christians tend to have religious-themed NDEs and why it doesn’t necessarily mean that there is any sort of religion in the afterlife. Since you are looking for things related to Jesus – let me also recommend reading the writings of Silver Birch. This was a highly developed spirit guide who came through a medium in the 1930s. Although Silver Birch calls him “the Nazarine”, I feel like what he has to say is really interesting. Plus, in the 1930’s, this was waaaaay before the new-age stuff. I linked to the Silver Birch Anthology in my post “Resurrecting 19th Century Spirit Writings”. Check it out – I don’t think you’ll be disappointed. Spoiler: Silver Birch thinks that modern Christians have gotten most of it wrong. You could also check out a book called ‘Facts’ written by the deceased Hugh Benson, a priest. The entire book was supposedly written from the afterlife through automatic writing from Anthony Borgia. In ‘Facts’, he devotes the entire book to reinterpreting the bible, and how wrong we are about what Christianity was meant to be about. Really fascinating stuff!! Last Christian themed thing that I’ll recommend is Emmanuel Swedenborg. He was a Christian and a mystic, and really considered the founder of modern spiritualism. He lived in the 1700’s and many spiritual experiences that he wrote about. There is also a youtube channel that interprets his writings and its surprisingly good. It’s called “Offthelefteye”. I think I linked to all of these in that post about the 19th century spirit writings. Best part – all of these writings are FREE! Enjoy!

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          1. Thank you so much! I am so grateful that you are here, sharing your wisdom and resources! Your website is awesome! I will be around.

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      2. Hi Jenn, I thought you might like this clip of the proven fraud and fake medium Gary Mannion channeling his ‘spirit guide’ Abraham of biblical fame. That’s right, the original patriarch of the old testament, no cut-price prophets for our Gazza.

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        1. Oh my gosh.. it seemed like he spoke for 20 seconds in a cheesy accent and said nothing of substance. I would demand my money back if I paid to sit for that channeling. Did you know that he claimed that in the video where he was caught in fraud that he was a ‘puppet’ for spirit?

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          1. That is exactly what you would expect a cheap fraud like him to say. If he didn’t say that, the only other explanation is the truth, that his act is all trickery and he is a fake like all the others. Sad to say he is still in business, cheating people out of their income.

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            1. I agree with merrick forester it is logic. If one is a fraud it follows all are frauds, just my 2 pence, I am not anyone of importance so be it. Take care.

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                1. Why the hostility? I was agreeing with you, a person, your logic is that one fraud = all frauds is true nature of sceince. As it is, you keep derailing your own thread. I am making these criticisms not to stifle your self expression, but to encourage you to grow as a contributor. It is so rare that someone who understands the value of punctuation and proper paragraphs posts in a forum that I would like to see you hone your craft. It would be nice to have an intelligent discussion, perhaps even a debate here.

                  This is an open forum. All comers welcome. If you are going to open a topic that will attract such as myself and others, and this upsets you, merrick, then, I’d recommend to avoid getting upset, you may consider not posting anything that will attract anyone that may give you any insight aligned to what you want to believe in. This is best affected by simply never posting anything. If you don’t say anything, no one can come along and say anything about what you’ve said that can upset you.

                  The other alternative, since you seem to be immune to reason or logical debate, is to grow a thicker skin. Stances aligning yours exist. Deal with it. Simple. Take care. Namaste!

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                  1. Whoa there Hoss! I thought your post was sarcastic, so I responded in kind. If I am wrong, I apologise and withdraw my comment.
                    You misunderstand me in every way. I do not assume that because Mannion is a proven fraud, it follows that all mediums are frauds. That would be neither logical nor fair. My belief of course, is that they ARE all fake but are motivated by different reasons. Some for attention seeking, some by self-delusion, and some, like Mannion, for financial gain.
                    You suggest that I grow a thicker skin as I found your post so upsetting. I assure you my state of mind was not affected in any way, it takes a very great deal more than that to spoil my day.
                    I am not, as you say, immune to reason or logical debate, although I admit to being skeptical. I am skeptical because all the evidence I have ever seen for the supernatural has been unconvincing at best, or transparently bogus.
                    As for your suggestion that I do not post anything, you can leave that decision to me.

                    Namaste.

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                    1. Merrick, excuse me for butting in a bit, but when you say you are sceptical with reason, and based on your logic and outright claim that all mediums are frauds, you are a sceptic, plain and simple. Kindly research further and attempt to be more biased. Are you familiar with the work of Brazilian medium Francisco Candido Xavier, better known as Chico Xavier? He evidenced his mediumnistic capacity to thousands, sold thousands of mediumnistic books, which sold by the hundreds of thousands, and never received a cent. All his work was based on charity, and the proceeds from the book sales were all donated to charity, because, he said: “I cannot receive for what is not my work”.

                      One true story of his was that of a sceptic TV diretor in Brazil who had lost a son because of what was being alleged to have been na accidental gun-shot made by a friend of the boy’s. On a TV program on which Chico was being interviewed, at the end of the program he was asked if he would make a psychography, aka an automatic writing.

                      When the program was over, he approached this TV diretor, whom he did not know, and handed him the letter telling him that he had been instructed to give it to him, though he did not know him. The diretor asked him what it was about, and his reply was that he was like a postman, he just delivered the letters, but knew not what they contained…

                      When the diretor read the letter, it was a message from his son, telling him that it had indeed been an accident, that he was with his grandfather, the director’s father, who wished to tell him that he was very proud of him, and repeated to him what had been said by the director to his father when his father was in a coma at his death bed.

                      The director knew this was impossible, for only he and his father were in the room and his father never came out of the coma, and was so impressed by what he read, that he asked that the letter should be used as evidence in the court of law when the young boy who had made the accidental gun-shot was under trial.

                      So, you see, do not instantly discard what cannot yet be proven. The problem with most sceptics is that they simply have not investigated far enough, or deeply enough, and just because they do not hold the answers, they instantly discard anything of the sort as untrue. Scepticism is just a belief, just like any other, Merrick…

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  10. I agree, Brandon. Hardest thing in these cases is to manage to discern what is “real” from what is merely the imagination of the mind or the interferfence of the medium… To “separate the wheat from the shaft”.

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  11. I actually paid for a reading with Kim when she was first introduced through her work with Erik. She is 100% not legitimate. Kim was rude and everything comes through really as her opinion on the topic. I also find her promoting her on views and opinions.

    Jamie Butler is the real deal she started it all and is why the blog and you tube channel is so popular. It leads me to wonder why Jamie left and now there is Kim. I would never recommend anyone get a reading from this woman. Kim is an opportunist. Her own medium shop went out of business. I think Kim is using the platform to gain a following like Jamie did and make money. Again I did have a reading with this woman and she was absolutely terrible.

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    1. I really appreciate your honesty reply. Although every medium can have a bad day, it is vitally important to get the honest opinions of people who have actually had readings before choosing a medium. I’ve listened to Kim’s readings and they aren’t very evidential, I’ve not been impressed with what I’ve seen so far. Thanks again for your comment!
      Jenn

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  12. There has to be an uncertainty margin associated with any paranormal event. That’s the way it works for humanity as agreed upon by our group consciousness. It is essencial to keep us in the separateness experience that we have here.
    The purpose of life as a human or any for that matter is not to acquire more information, for that can be done at will where we come from. It is the purpose of reorganising ourselves so we can have a bigger potential. It’s not about getting more, but rearranging what we have already, since we are whole to start with.
    Validation questions, especially specific ones done in public greatly violate the principle of uncertainty and serve only the purpose of providing the person with useless information. There’s no earned experience, no wisdom, it’s nothing but empty information.
    You would better understand if you were to integrate a greater view into your perspective.
    Would you play a pretend game as a kid and start calling people out on the pretense? Of course not. You would probably just annoy the other kids.

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    1. Rafael,
      I appreciate your point, but evidential mediumship is by design, evidential. I do allow that it might be impossible for a medium to pick and choose what evidential information they are ‘given’. Perhaps this medium couldn’t answer that question specifically, but evidential mediums are taught to provide specific information to the sitter that can convince them beyond the shadow of a doubt that the person the medium is in contact with is really their deceased loved one. I would expect that a medium might say, “I don’t have that information, but I can tell you..[x]” Good evidential mediums can tell the sitter things like what the person died of, what they enjoyed in life, what they looked like, their hobbies, some special words that prove to the sitter who they are. Only after that is established, does the medium go on to give them whatever intended message they have for the sitter. If Kim had done any of the above, I certainly would have understood her inability to give an answer to Jannecke’s question. There are plenty of people out there that can provide spiritual services without using mediumship. But Kim calls herself a medium, and even if she couldn’t answer the question, she could have attempted to provide other evidence to the sitter that demonstrated that she was truly in contact with the deceased. Jamie Butler, by contrast, handled it differently when presented with a similar question. She couldn’t answer the initial question, but offered different evidence to Jannecke. When I emailed Jannecke privately to ask if Jamie was correct, she told me that she was, and she was impressed with her abilities. I understand your point that we should be looking for quality information that can give us more wisdom or experience, but I think that’s the role of channelers and spiritual intuitives and gurus. Evidential mediumship, by design, is used to give real evidence of contact for a specific person – to provide information that could not be obtained in any other way aside from real communication with a spirit person. Otherwise, what would be the point of mediumship? It isn’t supposed to be a pretense, nor is it supposed to be spiritual guidance. The point of evidential mediumship IS proof of contact.
      I think I probably would be the kid that annoyed the others by pointing out the pretense, but I guess someone has to be the killjoy. 🙂
      Thanks so much for your comment, Rafael, all the best!
      Jenn

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  13. Hi. I really enjoyed reading this article and the comments. 🙂 Is there someplace I could look to find mediums you feel are valid for a personal consultation?

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    1. Thank you, Holly! Although I have no personal experience with them myself, I always recommend the forever family foundation. They are a non profit organization and have a rigorous certification process for their mediums. I think you would stand the best chance of getting a good reading through them. Best of luck and if you do pursue a reading, let us know how it went!
      -Jenn

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  14. Okay, this might be a bit long but I’ve had no one to disclose to about it until now.

    This all makes me very sad though I’m glad I found it. I think it’s good to question when we are suspicious, after all its part of our own intuition. I found the CE youtube channelings a couple years back, and then the blog, read the books, joined the FB groups for CE. I started out feeling incredible about it, as though I’d finally found the answers I’d been seeking, that has slowly begun to erode. I do believe Elisa is pure in her intentions to have communications from her son and the other side and I applaud her for her bravery in doing so for the benefit of not just herself but others too. I also believe in Jamie Butler. I think she has real talent and I feel that through her body language and ease that she is the real deal and is speaking with Erik. Jamie seems to have a lot of spirit activity around her during readings with Elisa. EVPs and that odd chirping sound that seems to be there only when she is listening and orbs are a few of the things I’ve noticed and I can’t say I have ever noticed that in any of Kim’s readings (correct me if I’m wrong). That said, I don’t understand why she is choosing to charge so much money, it doesn’t make sense to me and she does not seem like a greedy person. I wish I knew why. The only other CE medium I think I trust at this point is Robert.
    Kim has been fishy to me for a while and especially after that awkward and very telling interaction between her and Jannecke. I joined Kims FB when she first debuted as a featured medium on the CE youtube channel after Jamie’s departure. One thing I’ve noticed with her is the CONSTANT look at how pretty I am selfies. She likes attention. A lot of attention as do most who fish for adoration comments from their constant selfie posting. This to me says a lot about her.
    I have also recently had my own new found faith shaken by a reading with a CE medium who is prominent and featured on the CE mediums page. I had one fairly good reading with her but after that, the next few became very predictable and felt like advice anyone could give really. I thought, okay, maybe there’s just not a lot they need to say to me this time but then the last one really caused me a lot of sadness and disappointment. The CE medium claimed to be in contact with Erik during my reading near the end. Like many CE peeps, I had longed for one of the amazing and undeniable signs he leaves others so I asked if he would leave me something specific in a specific place. His answer was that he’d be glad to do that for me. Well, I checked said spot for said item daily for a couple weeks and nothing. So I mentioned it to the medium and she said to me that she was currently asking Erik again and again Erik agreed. Well, it never happened and it’s been months. Was that medium legit? I think so but I think she might be embellishing her readings when she isn’t getting enough to work with. I now question everything she had said to me. The Erik I have come to know would never let someone down like that. I don’t think she was channeling him at all. I think she just threw him into the last part of my reading as some sort of CE bonus. Maybe I am wrong here but I feel duped and betrayed.
    I have seen other CE mediums lie/contradict themselves such as Heather who said that she couldn’t see spirit, just hear them but in a CE channeling video with Elisa, she is clearly watching and even states to Elisa at one point that he is pacing. I don’t know what to make of that. the video was done long before she stated she could not see them.
    I do %100 believe in something on the other side. Long before finding CE, I had been watching a youtuber (who at the time had few subscribers and still doesn’t have that many) by the name of MichaelDMgee. He has a lot of hard evidence to support the existence of spirit. The kind of evidence that those not into going to mediums might seek from a scientific standpoint.
    Anyways, I’ll stop then. That was my two cents. I have no idea where I stand with mediums right now, I seek the truth and not some sort of faith I’m supposed to blindly have. I commend Jannecke for pushing Kim. There is no room for frauds here if that’s what’s going on.

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    1. Dear Susana,

      I feel for your disappointment. I was also intrigued by Channeling Erik when it first came online. I was taken with Elisa’s tragic story about her son, and Jamie seemed almost too good to be true. I really wanted it to be an intelligent, evidential discussion. Jamie claimed to see spirits physically in the room with her – as far as I knew, this is an extremely rare ability, one that can certainly be demonstrated. And yet, as time went on, Jamie never provided the evidence that ‘evidential mediums’ are known for. She succeeded in convincing Elisa, and I clung to that for a little while – thinking, surely Elisa would know if Jamie was simply pretending to speak with her son? The afterlife interviews just made things worse. Contradictions, wrong facts, and absolutely zero evidential or hard questions ensured that no one could ever prove or disprove what these mediums were saying. Jamie’s prices raised to astronomical levels and it just left a really bad taste in my mouth. I don’t mind anyone getting paid for what they do, but $650 dollars per hour? Anyway, the parade of mediums claiming to speak to Erik after that just seemed to drag the entire site into a circus. It became a mockery of itself. Combined with cult-like followers who attacked anyone who questioned mistakes in the readings, deleting comments, and the rest.. and well. It’s just sad. As for your reading – I’m very sorry that you had that experience. I can understand the kind of ‘dark night of the soul’ feeling when you’ve been completely betrayed by a spiritual source that had uplifted you. I do have some good news for you though. Beyond all of the glitz and marketing of outfits like Channeling Erik and TV mediums, there are real mediums out there, and to address your doubts about mediumship altogether, I would invite you to listen to the groudbreaking work that Julie Beichel has done with her triple-blind tests of mediums with the Windbridge Institute. You can hear all about it on the podcast Skeptiko’s interview with Julie here: http://skeptiko.com/psychic-medium-tested-under-tightest-labratory-conditions/. Here’s what I’ve learned about mediumship. Real mediumship is rarer than rubies. Real, highly-skilled mediums do not need to advertise or go on television shows, or even produce youtube channels. They get enough business they can handle by word of mouth alone. The best way to find one of these mediums is through the two non-profit organizations that independently test and certify their mediums. The first is the Forever Family Foundation (www.foreverfamilyfoundation.org) and the second is the aforementioned Windbridge Institute (www.windbridge.org). Let this negative experience and disappointment help you to hone your intuition and find that ‘ring of truth’. There are some amazing spiritual sources out there – in books, even on youtube.. but their main purpose is usually not to make money, but spread the message that life doesn’t end at death. Again – anyone who is a medium for a living will charge something.. but it shouldn’t cost more than a root canal to access their services. When it comes to evaluating new-age and spiritual people online, go with your gut. I felt the same way about Kim Babcock.. she’s pretty but there is little evidential substance. A whole lot of word salad and platitudes. I want to thank you for taking the time to write about your experiences, I sure it will help others who find their way here after being disappointed by CE. That being said, CE might still help and inspire a lot of people – I think the afterlife interviews are awful, but I haven’t heard anything really damaging in a spiritual sense from their ‘hour of enlightenment’ series. Maybe for some, it will be an introduction to more substantial works. I guess the worst of the CE effect is that people incorrectly assume that the behavior exhibited by these mediums is standard. A good medium will ask your name and that’s about it. They will provide evidence of the person they are contacting – names, descriptions, the way they looked and died, BEFORE they move on to the platitudes, so that clients can be assured that a medium is really in contact. That’s the very definition of evidential mediumship! I think you are right to feel duped and betrayed, but I hope it doesn’t discourage you from seeking your spiritual path and understanding. There is a lot of hard evidence for life after death out there, and plenty of better sources to be had.
      Best of luck to you,
      Jenn

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  15. Jenn, thank you for the reply. I will look into the Julie Beichel link with skeptico. Yes, the whole thing was very disheartening. I hope to find my path again soon. Much love 🙂

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  16. This may be a little late in the conversation but I noticed that not all mediums advertise as evidential, I would like affirmation, But perhaps people like Kim are more abstract in their readings and are not comfortable in being tied to specifics. She should probably state that up front. I thought at some point in the past I heard Erik state something to the point of having things he wanted to discuss without spending all his time on validation. That makes sense too. I think if he wants to help people we are creatures who need validation. If its the doctor, our peers, or people we seek counsel with we are in constant need of validation as part of our process. My other thought was having Erik contact non related persons unlike traditional channeling by our connections with loved ones. Lets get evidence on that regardless of who the medium is.

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  17. I wanted to mention that it doesn’t help these mediums’ reputation that I got blocked from their Channeling Erik Mediums Facebook group after one of them SUGGESTED I join by email. I requested to join and had to answer three questions about why I wanted to join I was polite and honest. The next day, I noticed it still said Pending, which I realize takes awhile sometimes. I wrote one of the moderators to make sure I had reached them and they got my answers. Next thing I know, I’m BLOCKED! Why??? I checked from my alternate account and noticed I could see the group from there. Hm, sounds fishy to me. But I agree with many posters above. Even if all the interviews and claims were 100% true, they are wearing this poor ghost kid out, treating him like a celebrity with too much fan mail. Although I like a lot of the mediums’ ideas and logical answers, they give vague answers a lot, and beat around the bush when confronted by anything specific. Also, why would one spirit be expected or even interested in spending all of his time(or whatever they call it over there) discussing so many topics that seem more like the interests of the mediums than anything? Also, I find it hard to believe he can just go fetch any celebrity like Prince. When asked what his favorite instrument was, he said “guitar” and then the medium seemed to guess that he also played a saxaphone too, common knowledge anyway. Why can’t they tell us things we DON’T know? The mediums study these celebritiy’s mannerisms and facts about them and try to imitate how they’d act in an interview, which isn’t very good by the way. I also find it hard to believe Erik would have so much knowledge about everything and everybody, including the disgusting grey aliens. And when it came to Trump, they lost me when they claimed Erik said people needed to chill out and stop hating on him so much. The mediums and the mother all come from red states. They are Trump supporters. Think about it. It’s not Erik saying that, it’s their opinions. It’s things like that all bundled together that convince me that this whole channeling thing is as fake as the channelers were in 2012 for Loki in the old Google chats. What a fiasco that was. They did a lot of damage and manipulated a LOT of women. I’m suprized “Erik” hasn’t found the norse gods yet.

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