Think You Understand Reincarnation? Think Again.

I apologize for the provocative title, but reincarnation is a subject that many in the spiritual and new-age community feel is too obvious to bother with. The mechanics seem rather simple. You live one lifetime, die, go to the spirit world, hang around a bit, then choose another lifetime that will challenge you in new ways. Usually, that’s where our thinking on the matter ends. But think a little deeper and serious ego and identity issues start to arise. After a thought experiment, running the reincarnational cycle through a few lives and combining what I’ve researched about the afterlife, I hit a roadblock in my understanding. Where I had previously felt secure about the logistics of reincarnation, doubts now filled my mind. I needed to resolve this reincarnational mechanics problem before it threatened to turn into a full-blown spiritual crisis.

Before we get into the subject matter, a little disclaimer is in order. This post is going to deal with some very difficult concepts. Therefore I’m going to abandon my usual style of writing, which is term-paper-ish and just try to explain this in the way I really speak – casually and from my own perspective. I’ve hesitated to write this post for a while because I’m sure I don’t fully understand it myself, but I’m hoping that instead of attempting to be instructive, this can be a collaborative experience for all of us. If you manage to read to the bottom of this rambling, brain-melting topic, feel free to give me your perspective and opinions – I always welcome them.

Until my little thought experiment, I also bothered little with probing the mechanics of reincarnation. Like most people, I assumed the process was pretty straight-forward. But let’s do this thought experiment together, and you’ll see what I mean.

Jennifer and George

Currently, I’m living this lifetime as Jennifer. I have Jennifer’s personality, memories, experiences, knowledge and collection of loved ones. When I eventually die, I expect to rise up out of my body and go into the light, where I will be reunited with my cats, friends and family (yes, cats first). I expect to still be Jennifer, with my personality and memories in-tact. I am very attached to myself, you see. I don’t want to lose who “I” am, and I’m sure neither do you.

So, I’m in the spirit world and I’m learning and healing and reconnecting. My consciousness is expanding and perhaps I’m even advanced enough to be able to look at one or two of my past lives to see who else I’ve been. Keyword, “who I’ve been”. The perspective is ego-centric, I expect that “I” was those people, not “they” will have been “me”. Just a little foreshadowing there.

After some time, I decide I’d like to reincarnate back on Earth and have another go at things. According to spiritual literature, the process starts with meeting with your guides and people in your spirit group, usually your friends and family from the lifetime you’ve just left. We decide that we are going to incarnate as a middle-class family who lives in the UK. My grandmother is already on earth, and is ready to start a family with her husband so I decide I’m going to be born as one of their children, George. Other people from my last lifetime will fill various other roles in the same earth family in accordance with their own spiritual agreements when they decide to incarnate.

This would not be an unusual story in any spiritual book. Classic spiritual literature such as Dr. Newton’s Journey of Souls or Many Lives, Many Masters by Dr. Brian Weiss both describes reincarnation this way. It seems spiritually sound and on the surface, rather practical.

But here’s where the trouble begins. Let’s fast-forward through George’s lifetime. As an adult, George is not aware that he was once Jennifer, he’s just going about his life. One day, George decides to participate in past-life regression therapy and finds out that he was once Jennifer who lived in America. He finds it fascinating that he was once this person, but it doesn’t have any consequence for his life. He’s not Jennifer anymore, that’s his past. He’s George.

So George grows old and eventually transitions back into the spirit world. He has a beautiful reunion with his parents and the friends he lost. It’s a joyous time. There’s only one major problem with this beautiful scenario.

George enters the spirit world as George.

Stop. When you returned from your next lifetime, did you expect to be you again? Well I did. That is until I really thought about how absurd and ego-centric that idea really was in practice.

George doesn’t return to the spirit world and turn back into Jennifer saying, “Wow, that was a really cool life as George, but I’m so glad to be back as Jennifer again!”

No, only George remains. With George’s family, friends, memories and personality.

So where the hell am I? Where is Jennifer’s memories and personality now? Did she completely disappear when she decided to reincarnate as George?

Taking that a little further, what about all the lives behind me? I’m sure when they chose to reincarnate into me, they didn’t want to give up their own existence. And when I die I certainly don’t want to turn into them in the spirit world, I want to be me – Jennifer. And I’m sure George wouldn’t want to give up his personality when returning to the spirit world and become Jennifer again. That would be absurd, from both his perspective in the future, and mine with regard to whomever decided to become me.

I know that’s a little confusing, but walk through a few lifetimes in your mind, complete with the traditional afterlife reunion – life review – reincarnation scenario and you’ll understand why reincarnation isn’t as simple as it sounds. So do we lose our identities each time we take on a new one?

So how do we resolve this conundrum?

Faced with this existential crisis, I began poring through all of the books in my spiritual library for answers. I’ve cobbled together some sort of understanding how our identity is preserved through multiple incarnations, and how or when we can revisit our personalities and memories again, even if we can only identify with one personality at a time right now.

Before we can make sense of the mechanics of reincarnation, we need to explore two aspects of the multidimensional afterlife that work differently that we are used to on earth: Time and perspective.

Time

Time is described by Spirits as ‘the spacious present’, or ‘a spiral’. Ultimately, time as a chronological series of events is an illusion. It doesn’t mean those events didn’t happen sequentially, but they are like little vignettes in a larger now that doesn’t itself have a chronology. When you are watching a story on TV, you don’t expect the time that passes in the story to alter the time in which you are watching television. The television show are simply characters acting in a made-up time – a year that passes in their made-up story life has nothing to do with the time that exists in the real world. That idea of illusory time is not very different from how our experience of time relates to time as it exists in the higher dimensions. Just like the characters in the TV show are bound and absorbed by their time, we are similarly bound and obsessed by our time. Outside of our dimension, it bears little semblance to reality.

Highly evolved spirits such as Elias (channeled by Mary Ennis, www.eliasweb.org) who have communicated with earth say that we are living all of our lives at the same time, or more specifically, in the same now. Although we are living our lives concurrently, we can only currently understand them chronologically. The human understanding of reincarnation is by definition sequential, so the illusion of chronological time is maintained loosely in the spirit world until we become advanced enough that we no longer need to incarnate. When we evolve spiritually to higher levels of the afterlife, we are introduced to a more sophisticated understanding of time (we become the TV watchers in the above metaphor, not the story characters).

Because we are living all of our lives concurrently, there will be some point at which we will stop incarnating and all of our lifetimes will end at the same time. In our terms, that is in our future. But in other terms that has already happened. Confused? Hang on, it gets worse but I’ll try to explain why the concept of time or lack of it is vital to understanding reincarnation in a bit.

Perspective

The definition of the ego means something different in the afterlife – it’s more pliable and can be shared. We don’t lose the ‘I’ in ‘I am” but as a matter of perspective, that ‘I’ can move around, split up or be combined. This is a bit brain-twisting, but stay with me.

The multidimensional afterlife is set up as a nested hierarchy of consciousness.

Think of an atom. A single hydrogen atom is a self-contained unit – unique, individualized and sovereign. This atom can join two others to become a molecule of water. The molecule is composed of, and contains the same properties of, the atoms that make it up, and yet the whole is more than the sum of its parts. That molecule is also part of a larger system – a cell, which in itself is a self-contained, sovereign entity. The cell then makes up the circulatory system, which is a component of a human, which is a component of several larger system of organizations. Each part of the system is whole and independent, and yet comprises even larger systems that are also whole and independent.

Now, think of this in terms of consciousness. Imagine you are floating above the earth, and that you can see all of the 7 billion people who live there. Let’s say you have the ability to zoom into any one of those people’s mind and see their life from their perspective. Then you can zoom out, pick a different person and zoom into their perspective. Now imagine that you can do this all at once, with not just people, but with everything that creates the universe – every atom, cell, flower, dog, person, planet, the whole of human consciousness, the whole of the consciousness in the universe, or just the consciousness of a small sparrow – all at once, and all at the same time.

That is God’s perspective.

That is because God IS the consciousness of all that exists. Now this is a bit speculative, but it’s the best understanding I can come up with based on the limited information we have about God. God makes up the consciousness and material of everything that exists, and yet he/she/it is greater than the sum of the parts. Now, is God also made up of a larger system? I haven’t come across the answer in any spiritual literature I’ve ever read. The closest we have come is Seth’s description of God or All That Is. I bolded the important part, but the whole thing is really worth reading for it explains the nested hierarchy better than I can.

Now — and this will seem like a contradiction in terms — there is nonbeing. It is a state, not of nothingness, but a state in which probabilities and possibilities are known and anticipated but blocked from expression. Dimly, through what you would call history, hardly remembered, there was such state. It was a state of agony in which the powers of creativity and existence were known, but the ways to produce them were not known. This is the lesson that All That Is had to learn, and that could not be taught. This is the agony from which creativity originally was drawn, and its reflection is still seen. […] All That Is retains memory of that state, and it serves as a constant impetus — in your terms — toward renewed creativity. Each self, as a part of All That Is, therefore also retains memory of that state. It is for this reason that each minute consciousness is endowed with impetus toward survival, change, development, and creativity. It is not enough that All That Is, as a primary consciousness gestalt, desires further being, but that each portion of It also carries this determination.

Yet the agony itself was used as a means, and the agony itself served as a impetus, strong enough so that All That Is initiated within Itself the means to be. If – and this is impossible – all portions but the most minute last “unit” of All That Is were destroyed, All That Is would continue, for within the smallest portion is the innate knowledge of the whole. All That Is protects Itself, therefore, and all that It has and is and will create. When I speak of All That Is, you must understand my position with in It. All That Is knows no other. This does not mean that there may not be more to know. It does not know whether or not other psychic gestalts like It may exist. It is not aware of them if they do exist. It is constantly searching. It knows that something else existed before Its own primary dilemma when It could not express Itself. It is conceivable, then, that It has evolved, in your terms, so long ago that It has forgotten Its origin, that It has developed from still another Primary which has — again, in your terms — long since gone Its way. So there are answers that I cannot give you, for they are not known anywhere in the system in which we have our existence. We do know that within the system of our All That Is, creation continues and developments are never still. We can deduce that on still other layers of which we are unaware, the same is true.

God is the ultimate “I” (or eye, depending on how creepy you want to be about it). Spiritual advancement is by definition the expansion of consciousness – moving more toward God-consciousness. This expanded version of ourselves is what we commonly think of as our ‘higher self’. So who is this ‘higher self’? Well, its the personality that developes as a result of the sum total of all of the lifetimes we’ve lived. My higher self contains Jennifer, George, Mary, Chan, Maurice, Hans, and whomever else I may have been or may be in the future.

Now here’s where time comes into the picture and makes it really confusing. Fasten your seat belts.

Although we are living our lives in what seems to be one lifetime after another, we are really living them all at once. Our higher self is done incarnating. We are their past. They are our future. We will evolve into who they are now in the future.

Seth often talked about an entity called ‘Seth Two’. Seth Two could be described as Seth’s future self, which had a more evolved, more expanded consciousness which included the ‘smaller’ Seth One. Even though Seth Two already exists (because, you know, time = illusion), Seth One won’t gain Seth Two’s wider perspective until he himself advances spiritually. Seth Two is Seth One’s higher self, and also his future self.

Mind spinning yet?

One more example, then I’ll try to wrap this up in some way that is half-way understandable with our original Jennifer/George scenario.

I read a book recently called ‘Rita’s World: A View from the Non-Physical’. This was a book written in 2015 by Frank DeMarco who collaborates with The Monroe Institute. He worked with a woman by the name of Rita Warren, a teacher at the Monroe Institute on another book where they contacted higher entities. After Rita passed away, Frank attempted to contact Rita himself and was successful. In this passage, Rita describes what happened when she passed over, and the consciousness expansion that she went through. Rita was spiritually advanced when she was on earth, so this isn’t necessarily what everyone will go through at death.

Expanding my awareness changed me, in effect, yet left me what I always was. It changed me in the way that any new way of seeing things amounts to a new experience, which, integrated, amounts to a slightly or significantly altered being. It left me unaffected in the sense that the particular individual consciousness that I had just laboriously fashioned in nearly 90 years of Earth-life was not altered or expunged (which would defeat the purpose, would it not?) but remained a resource. […] I am the same old Rita you know, and that is our connection.. but I am also so much more than the Rita you or I knew because I am the being of which I only partially and occasionally partook. Both, not one or the other. And I am aware of this because my consciousness expanded, rather than choosing or alternating, once free of the confines of 3D time […] I ceased to function as an autonomous individual in the way I thought myself to be while in 3D, and resumed functioning – rather, assumed my position for the first time, “Rita” not having been previously in existence before the life that created and shaped her – as part of the larger being.

Rita was sufficiently advanced upon going to the spirit world to recognize her connection to her higher self and assume the perspective that not only included Rita, and all of Rita’s personality and memories, but likely all of the life-times that she’s lived. If someone from her past life wanted to connect with her, she could assume the personality she was to that person through the shared experiences and connection they had together.

Okay, so what if Jennifer – or George – is NOT sufficiently advanced enough to incorporate the memory of those past lives? Rita explains this as a type of amnesia for people who are overly fixated on the 3D world upon passing. They identify so wholly with their ego that they cannot comprehend incorporating past lives, or else are fearful of losing the identity that they have. This will unfortunately be what happens to the majority of us, simply based on all of the afterlife experiences I’ve read. Galen Stoller, who I wrote a post about recently, tried to find out about his own past lives in the spirit world and was blocked from doing so by his guides because he wasn’t yet ready to incorporate the knowledge into his current personality.

You might say, but people on earth have memories of past lives, or participate in past life regressions – why are they allowed to if the knowledge is so sacred? The answer is simple. There is a big difference between the intellectual knowledge of who we were and how it relates to who we are now (the basis of past-life regression on earth), and actually incorporating the consciousness of those spirits into our current personality (what occurs in the spirit world as part of our advancement).

Let’s get back to our example. George, my future self, has died and entered the spirit world. Although his higher self has been enriched with all of the knowledge he’s gained through that lifetime, George himself cannot relate it back to Jennifer’s perspective because he is too attached to himself as George (understandably).

Although Jennifer will always exist and be reachable through my higher self, my first-person perspective is now as George. George doesn’t care about Jennifer, in fact he probably doesn’t know she ever existed.

Think about it terms of yourself. If you believe in reincarnation, then you were probably a completely different person before this life. Do you really care enough about who they were enough to abandon your current personality to assume theirs? No, and I would expect that as George I wouldn’t care about who I was as Jennifer either. I’d be too busy being George!

So what is someone from my lifetime as Jennifer wants to find me and speak to me as Jennifer? Well, Jennifer is always available – my higher self will narrow the scope of its perspective and become just Jennifer again. No problem.

Now, it goes without saying that our higher self is not where the hierarchy ends. Our higher selves are components of even more evolved hierarchies – and it goes all the way to the top, to source, where God is the highest self of all. And yet, the beauty of it is that God is also the lowest self of all – for its consciousness is alive and presently aware in the smallest atom. Now that is an awesome concept to consider.

So this brings up a final question that I hear a lot with regard to reincarnation. Many people worry that a loved one in spirit will reincarnate before they join them there. I’ve heard only two responses to this question and both are correct.

Your loved one will wait until everyone he/she was close to is in the spirit world before you all decide to reincarnate together again.
You leave part of your energy in the spirit world, so you never really leave it and can simultaneously be incarnated on earth and in the spirit world.

So how can they both be right?

I believe that every lifetime you’ve led is a part of your higher self and is always available, even when a different portion of your higher self is simultaneously incarnating on earth at the same time. On the other hand, whatever identity you and your soul group are currently assuming at any given incarnational cycle will wait until the group is together before planning your next cycle.

There is a lot about how these hierarchies of consciousness work in theory and practice that we can’t possibly understand. We may not even understand it while we are in the spirit world. The good news is that we can go at our own pace. It’s perfectly fine to continue to conceptualize reincarnation as a chronological succession of lives. It’s good to know that our experiences and personality are never lost, even if we don’t consciously remember them from lifetime to lifetime. We will one day be our own higher selves and assist in helping us make better decisions than we did at the time. After all, Seth tells us that our choices affect our past as much as they affect our future (yikes). Love is a constant even if much else doesn’t seem to be – the people we love have been with us for eternity – even though we may not have known it.

Even though I don’t fully understand the process – and may be completely wrong about what I have surmised here – I have faith in that process. While we are independent beings, we seem to be vital components of the vast structure that comprises the God-consciousness. We are important because we are a part of the source, and loved immensely for that reason.

So if you’ve read to the end, I thank you. I know my posts are long and I appreciate your time. This is how I pieced together the process of reincarnation based on research and a little logic, but let me know how you think the reincarnational process works.

Sources

Seth Speaks: The Eternal Validity of the Soul, by Jane Roberts

The Nature of Personal Reality, by Jane Roberts

The Education of Oversoul Seven, by Jane Roberts

The Elias Transcriptions @ www.eliasweb.org as channeled by Mary Ennis

Journey of Souls, by Dr. Michael Newton

Destiny of Souls, by Dr. Michael Newton

Rita’s World: A View from the Non-Physical, by Frank DeMarco

Many Lives, Many Masters, by Dr. Brian Weiss

90 thoughts on “Think You Understand Reincarnation? Think Again.”

black_rabbit_of_inle

August 6, 2016 at 9:21 pm Reply

I think of this in the sense of Russian nesting dolls. Think of the largest doll as the master soul, where we actually begin from and draw from. Each succeeding doll is another foray into another direction. Each life retains its own memories, connections and individuality, but also expands over and over again to contain more memories, connections and new individual traits. I believe that eventually, the culmination of all of these experiences will mesh, and we will be able to see what it was that held all of these lives together- what common core existed to allow us to branch out and experience so many different moments in time, only to bring these learning experiences back to our center, where they can be processed and added to the master list in our soul. When we have experienced enough, grown enough, learned enough… Maybe that is when each individual doll will merge to create one cohesive personality that is ready to move on and move up. Just a thought.

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1. Jenn
  
  August 6, 2016 at 9:40 pm Reply
  
  That’s is a wonderful and poetic way to describe our composite soul operates. I also agree that our soul – the core of ourselves – is continually enhanced by each lifetime. I agree – at some point we have the ability to analyze our collective experience, see how each lifetime connected to the others, and the common threads that bind it all together. But when I read about afterlife experiences, it seems so individualized. Very few spirits are allowed to view their total experiences from that higher perspective, at least the ones that contacted earth and I was able to get my hands on. If I’m not advanced enough to be able to connect to that core soul, then once I reincarnate, I fear my current identity is lost to me until I am able to progress to that point where my lifetime is “remembered” for lack of a better word. It feels like ego death, but that’s probably the human part of me holding onto my identity at all costs. As an aside, I nearly chose a picture of Russian nesting dolls for this post to illustrate the heirarchy of consciousness but I thought it was a bit abstract. Also apparently some people find nesting dolls creepy? Thanks for a beautiful and illuminating comment, rabbit. 🙂
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Mantiki

August 6, 2016 at 10:09 pm Reply

The idea of fragmented consciousness across sequential lifetimes or even a fractal consciousness / Consciousness across and within species seems consistent with observation. Your George / Jen personalities need not be concerned about which is the more representative of “You”. It’s similar to myself being unconcerned that my current 62 year old personhood doesn’t yearn to return to my 4 year old or 25 year old “self” (except perhaps in health and form). We also see fragmentation of consciousness in cases of schizophrenia and hypnosis.

A lot of how we think of our “self” is simply how we express ourselves in certain situations. We might think we have lost or missed something if we can’t recall something, or are affected by dementia or drugs, but our inner self remains. Our memories and capabilities are simply tools.

I suppose there must be limitations of the extent to which consciousness can integrate – while there are many accounts of people experiencing oneness with humanity or even all of life, I’ve not read any accounts where two souls join to become one

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1. Jenn
  
  August 6, 2016 at 10:20 pm Reply
  
  Thank you for those analogies – especially relating it to childhood. Yes, that child who I was exists because I was that child, but I’m also more than that child – incorporating what I learned as a child with what I’ve learned as an adult. My perspective as a child is technically gone, but I don’t grieve it. I would hope I would react the same way to experiencing another life as a different person – It is a great way to understand expansion of consciousness. It unnerves me a little to think I share a soul with personalities that I’ve been in the past (if that is how reincarnation even works, that is, I’m not sure) but hopefully I am a better whole person overall. Thank you for the insightful comment and the great metaphors.
  
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  1. Timothy
    
    August 7, 2016 at 11:32 am Reply
    
    Interesting about losing your present indentity. Hmmm ? I think maybe some of us do remember some expierences from our past life or lives for that matter. Say from childhood certain memories, déjà vu’s stuck with us into adulthood. Those memories didn’t make sense then but might now after other things happen to coincide with those memories and déjà vu’s and thus you start putting the pieces together. Hmmm ! Higher Self reminding you maybe “don’t do it” telling you “don’t make the same mistake twice” cause you did that before in a past life or maybe just the recent past life. “Reincarnation” I believe it just like I know for certain “you don’t die” life goes on and no ones gonna remember you in a hundred years from now anyway unless their told about you from a book, or family legacies or by whatever means. But I’ve takin up enough space here and don’t wanna lose myself on here or you either. Go watch some TV and look at people who are no longer with us in the here & now… Do they look alive to you ? How about memories of those whom you’ve known that have passed over but you still retain a “video” of them in your “mind” memory ? I’ll leave all this at that for now…
    
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brandon dietze

August 7, 2016 at 8:59 am Reply

i think the soul is hard to get our hands around i know people that say at death the i lives on but not the mind just awareness and i don’t know what that means really awareness but not mind but i feel when we pass and come back may be we will be different not that much different more like when u were 6 and now your say 28 u are different great post btw

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cwejohnson

August 7, 2016 at 10:49 am Reply

Hi Jenn

An excellent post with a commendable resource list!

After returning home last Sunday from a weekend conference at Winchester University on the subject of Near Death Experiences – entitled “Is Heaven for Real?” – I felt rather disappointed. Despite contributions by eminent researchers in the field such as Dr Peter Fenwick and Dr Pim Van Lommel, there seemed little advance in our understanding of the phenomenon over the past 20 years or so.

One of the reasons for this is that mainstream research (in the UK at least) still shies away from the hugely valuable information provided by metaphysical literature. Although I did manage to bring this up on occasion by mentioning the Seth material in Q&A sessions, my seeds of alternative enquiry fell on stony ground. (All the more frustrating as I personally gave Peter Fenwick a Seth book after a talk he gave back in 1996 – in the hope he might investigate some of Seth’s ideas on NDE.)

My ego-self may have been frustrated, but on meditation I realise that ‘advances’ in our understanding will eventually come about in “natural time” (the non-chronological timings of All That Is/Consciousness).

Briefly, on your dilemma about the loss of the Jenn identity:

In the “Early Sessions” Seth books he states that your ego-self and your personality (two conjoined, yet independent psychological constructs) are electromagnetic entities within your psyche. The ego-self, born with a ‘blank slate’ of a mind, builds from birth to eventually take charge and manage the experiences of the lifetime. It becomes the stage director – ultimately deciding on what to experience in view of its thoughts, beliefs, feelings and emotions. The personality though, arrives in the physical up and running with a framework of characteristics, abilities, and intentional purposes that the Essence self is keen to explore for the expansion of its own identity in Consciousness.

During life the ego-self… shall we say, “matures,” not least by assuming its own identity. It will affect the personality’s disposition, but essentially the personality remains more in tune with your “higher”/Essence self and (depending on the severity of any distortion from an over-zealous ego-self) may take a little “time” in the “Transitional area within Consciousness” to acclimatise after physical death.

It is your personality that survives physical death, and continues to exist within your Essence’s overall identity; your ego-self is “collapsed” into an “electrical memory” within the “electric field” of your Essence self. Your personality continues to develop and change (as in life, constantly being informed and influenced by other lifetimes’ personalities) within Essence.

So, Jenn’s personality is not lost and its identity continues to flourish within Essence. Your ego-self becomes diminished because there is no need for the ego-self in the Essence structure – it is a psychological construct necessary for exploration of the physical dimension of existence only. A “new” lifetime births a new ego-self. Your “true” identity is the overall identity of your Essence self, a gestalt that is constantly informed by the personalities it has exploring the experiences of the physical playground of existence.

Hope that helps, find me at cwejohnson.com.

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charlesboden

August 7, 2016 at 1:10 pm Reply

To me the only format that truly makes sense is that of a linear arrow of time. We progress and evolve spiritually through our successive reincarnations. I believe that what we perceive is in fact the real illusion. If we look at the light of stars, we know we are looking at a light that is thousands or millions of years old. That does not mean that, if we had a suitable telescope, we would be looking at a reality in the “now”, but at a registry of the reality as it was then. I believe the “Akashic Records” work very much in the same way. We access registries. Registries in “light”. But that does not mean that they are all happening simultaneously. The arrow of the evolution of our Higher Soul Consciousness always heads in the same direction. Who we are now is the result of who we were and the experiences gained in ALL our past incarnations. In the Spiritual Realms, once aware of these lifetimes, we realize that in soul/consiousness we are the sum total of all of them…

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William Lynch

August 7, 2016 at 1:33 pm Reply

First, I would endeavor to commend you on your interpretation of the afterlife and the references to the Seth Material by Jane Roberts. I have 11 of the books channeled by Jane Roberts, and “The Nature of Personal Reality” is among my favorite. The date on the purchase receipt that I taped to the last page is 11/26/09. I have taken courses in the “Seth Study Group’ and with the Rhine Education Center on Reincarnation and I find your interpretation of the afterlife ‘satisfactory.” Since we humans are in a “state of becoming,” we have yet to fully understand or even grasp a comprehensive perspective of the spirit world. Even with the extensive research done by Raymond Moody, Ian Stevenson, Sam Parnia, P.M.H. Atwater, Dr. Eben Alexander, Dr. Mary Neal, Dr. Michael Sabom, and Dr. Jeffery Long, just to name a few, and many, many others that have contributed to scientific research and study of the afterlife, NDEs, Reincarnation, consciousness survival and cognitive sciences, we can only corroborate a very miniscule understanding of what happens to the soul/consciousness after our bodies die. One of the aspects that I have found that impinges on our conceptualization is the concept of ‘belief systems.’ In the West, when a 2-year old child claims to have memories of a past life, 95% of the time, his parents won’t believe them, and try to discourage the idea. In Eastern cultures however, they base their religious tenets on reincarnation. Countries such as Sir Lanka, India, Thailand and Myanmar are just some that practice and hold a belief in reincarnation. Just as NDEers only bring back pieces of the puzzle, investigation into the verified accounts suggestive of reincarnation, only give a ‘general’ over-view, being that each individual’s description of the same event is always different, with a few commonalities. If for example a child recalls that his previous life was traumatically ended by a ‘knife’ wound, and has a birthmark on his back where he can’t see it and it matches his memories, an investigator would try to trace the previous family background information recalled by the child. In some cases where current cultural belief systems are in place to facilitate such an investigation, the pervious family have been located and verified by the recalled memories of a child who is now a stranger to the family. Even in the best case scenario, the case is only ‘suggestive’ of Reincarnation.

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1. Jenn
  
  August 8, 2016 at 8:25 pm Reply
  
  Thank you so much, William, for your comment. My knowledge and understanding of the afterlife is so awesomely limited compared to what I must imagine the true reality to be that I am constantly humbled. I am also a Sethian, and I have found nothing that has given me a better understanding of the nature of reality than his books did – they are a wonderful resource that I hope more people discover. Its not easy reading for sure, but it is so original and sophisticated that even if someone questioned the source, they certainly couldn’t question the wisdom contained in those pages. I didn’t even bring up probable realities in this post but I feel it must dovetail into multiple incarnations as well. I also read many works by the other authors you listed, particularly interesting is Dr. Ian Stevenson’s work on reincarnation simply because of how scientific his research was. Even hard skeptics have difficulty poking holes in it. Though he put forward some incredible evidence for reincarnation, we still don’t have a good understanding of how it works in theory. I guess that is what is frustrating to me. I know that I have to accept the fact that there will be many things I don’t understand. Unfortunately, it will never stop me from seeking out more knowledge and asking more questions!
  Thanks again, I hope to see you around again!
  Jenn
  
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    August 9, 2016 at 9:45 am Reply
    
    even tho your limited to know u can still get a feel for big picture and also just by the evidence i feel like i am in the greater world
    
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wallerjoel

August 7, 2016 at 2:14 pm Reply

This is a simple matter to unfold, not so simple to undue the inborn belief systems we all have been indoctrinated into. No judgments there.

The answer? This is no such ting as REincarnation, all INcarnations are lived simultaneously, in the Now, where time and space have no meaning.

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  August 8, 2016 at 8:16 pm Reply
  
  Waller, I totally agree with you. From the higher perspective, I do believe we live all of these lives simultaneously. But then does that mean that we don’t choose new lives sequentially, or does it mean that when we are choosing these new lives and creating these spiritual agreements, that we are doing it outside of sequential time? It’s throwing my whole concept of soul agreements into question. I am very frustrated by my 3D brain – its not allowing me to conceptualize this at all.
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Terry

August 7, 2016 at 7:01 pm Reply

Excellent post Jen, you do a wonderful job at simplifying a very complex topic. I like the way you describe God’s perspective because that’s more or less the same conclusion I’ve come to. Just curious if you have read Rob Monroe’s last book Ultimate Journeys where he goes through a series of experiences with a ‘guide’ who turns out to be his ‘future’ self. In these experiences Rob interacts with several of his past life personalities and eventually forms a unity with them. It’s probably the best example I’ve read that unfolds the experience of how multiple lives can exist for the same oversoul.

I often use Robert’s book sort of a cross reference tool as I trust he’s being 100% honest with what he experienced, something I can’t always say for people.

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1. Jenn
  
  August 8, 2016 at 8:10 pm Reply
  
  Terry, thank you for the compliment – that is very kind of you to say, because I’ve been feeling that this post is probably the most illogical, rambling post in my collection of super-long rambling posts! I thank you for reading it through. I have actually never read that book by Rob Monroe, but it sounds like something I absolutely have to have in my collection!! I love those types of books that are so profound that you can go back to them over and over again for reference. I am going to get this book right away – I am so interested in the fact that his guide is his future self! It sounds like this book might be able to clear up some of the confusion that I’ve been having about the subject, so I really appreciate the recommendation.
  
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Sally

August 7, 2016 at 7:41 pm Reply

Trouble is – each theory begets another theory. Belief systems are based on logical searches and therefore, mostly make perfect sense. But – just because something makes sense doesn’t mean it is true. We are trying to put together a 1,000 piece jigsaw when 950 of the pieces are missing. So its no use demanding that our interpretation of the picture is the right one. We just DON’T KNOW. In fact, NO BODY KNOWS. However, it’s interesting searching. And most importantly, the search expands our consciousness so that when we are eventually confronted with the truth, we will be better equipped to deal with it. That’s my theory, anyway.
By the way – I wrote a novel – utter fiction- about reincarnation and memory regression. This one has not been published, but I could send you a copy if you would like to read it. Just let me know how to get a digital copy to you. Sally.

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  August 7, 2016 at 9:06 pm Reply
  
  Sally, I’d love to read it! My email is on the contact page. You are correct, of course. We probably can’t ever hope to get an accurate understanding while we are in a body, but then it calls into question if we can trust anything we research. Dr. Newton made reincarnation sound logical in his books, but then again we don’t know if his patients translated their experiences in life between life regression into terms we could understand.
  
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    August 7, 2016 at 9:45 pm Reply
    
    I know. It’s like trying to nail jelly to the wall. Will send you an attachment.
    
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Kenda Elise

August 8, 2016 at 3:08 pm Reply

Very interesting! Got a bit of perspective straight from the Spirit world (I record Spirit speaking in his or her own ‘voice,’ they can be ultra specific at times). Was told, after the advent of “psychical dys-corporation” (their term for physical death), the Spirit emerges from the form and is “collected” by the soul (Higher self?); the soul then continues on its journey. “Soul” could very well be the composite of a number of incarnations/fragments/memories/knowledge. Simply grateful Spirit gave that much information –usually pretty quiet about Afterlife specifics. Just so happens I made the mistake of saying, “…When the SOUL leaves the body” –Thank God for little errors! 🙂 To view the video of Spirit speaking on the subject, here’s the URL “What happens when we die?” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjbp0Zme2tw

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1. Jenn
  
  August 8, 2016 at 8:06 pm Reply
  
  That is fantastic that you got that piece of information. I agree, getting anything about the afterlife is like pulling teeth. Even mediums have trouble getting specifics. I guess the mystery is part of the fun of living, haha. Well, it does make sense – and it fits with what Rita said in the book, Rita’s world where she said she was “rita and more than rita”. It also fits with what Dr. Newton said in Journey of Souls where his regression clients said that they left part of their energy in the spirit world.
  
  Very cool – thank you so much for commenting and for providing the link! I’ll go check it out right now.
  
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Christophe

August 8, 2016 at 9:12 pm Reply

You should/could also take a look at ACIM ( A Course In Miracles) if you want … (Free pdf): http://stobblehouse.com/text/ACIM.pdf
Kind regards (from France)

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  August 8, 2016 at 9:40 pm Reply
  
  Merci, Christophe! 🙂
  
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brandon dietze

August 11, 2016 at 1:00 am Reply

yeah i hope hen my kids go to school past life work will be main stream but its hard to say when ignorant papers like this come out http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2016/03/phlegm-theories-of-consciousness/472812/

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MASSA

August 16, 2016 at 5:08 am Reply

read horros of hell splendors of heaven michael yeager his testemonie on the computer

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placebonetix

August 27, 2016 at 9:51 am Reply

I was pleased that you cited Frank DeMarco’s book Rita’s World. I had the good fortune to spend some time with Frank lately and he is a wise and personable guy. I highly recommend his other books, but especially The Sphere and the Hologram (2009) which he co-authored with Rita Warren. It expands substantially on the subject of this discussion.

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  August 27, 2016 at 11:53 am Reply
  
  Frank DeMarco’s ‘Rita’s World’ is a terrific book, original and fascinating. I always appreciate the kind of spiritual research that results in substantial new ideas about the mechanics of the afterlife, and Rita’s World delivers on that and more. His other books are already on my list of books to purchase and I’m sure that they are going to be just as rewarding. Mr. DeMarco seems like a personable,, reasonable and intelligent guy. If you see him again, please thank him for me for all the work he is doing – it is much appreciated by afterlife researchers!
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joycekilmartin

January 4, 2017 at 2:09 pm Reply

Hi Jenn, I just came upon your blog yesterday and have read several of your posts. You do a nice job with difficult topics and your writing is excellent. I, too, frequently turn to the Seth Material for wisdom about the nature of reality.

In terms of your example with George and Jennifer in this post, I suggest that, based on Seth’s explanation, they do communicate regularly with each other, at least on a certain level. In The Nature of Personal Reality says says, “There is a kind of coincidence with all of these present points of power that exist between you and your ‘reincarnational’ selves. There are even biological connections in terms of cellular ‘memory’. So through your current beliefs you can, in your own space and time, attract tendencies toward certain experiences shared by these others. There is a constant interaction in this multidimensional point of power, therefore, so that in your terms one incarnated self draws from all of the others what abilities it wants, according to its own specific, localized beliefs.”

Further on, Seth continues. . .

“”The interaction is constant, however, and in all of your presents, creative. You draw on their knowledge as they draw on yours, and this of course applies to personalities that you would consider future. You have a gigantic pool of information and experience to draw upon, but this will be utilized according to your present conscious beliefs.”

I’m sure you remember that Seth says that a lot of this interaction takes place via dreams, so Jennifer and George wouldn’t necessarily be aware of the communication. But other bleed-throughs could happen through intuitions, synchronicities, impulses, etc. At least, this is how I interpret it. What do you think?

Thank you for your terrific reading list on the site. I just ordered Rita’s World.

Joyce

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1. Jenn
  
  January 8, 2017 at 5:50 pm Reply
  
  Thank you, Joyce, for bringing up what Seth says on the matter. After writing that post, I did go back and read more of what says on the topic and it helped me make better sense of it. Thank you for reminding me about it as well. It’s hard to think about from an ego perspective that all of us who are incarnating are of the same core being and constantly interacting, but it makes sense and I suppose when I get to that point in my spiritual development once I leave this earth, I won’t feel like any part of me is ‘missing’, but just expanded. I’m glad you ordered Rita’s world, I think you’ll like it a lot if you like Seth. The author just came out with part 2 when you are ready.
  Thanks for your comment, Joyce. Always good to have a fellow ‘Sethian’ around.
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dalvacat

May 11, 2017 at 6:10 pm Reply

Hi Jenn,
I’m a new reader to your blog but you have my deep appreciation for the quality of your work here. I’m an old Seth reader and was thrilled to see you and others reference Jane’s work and Seth’s teaching… and someone mentioned study groups! Who knew?! It’s been a long time but I’m ready to revisit this study begun so long ago, (70s and 80s). I’ve read most of the authors mentioned here but some are new to me. I feel like I’m returning to school after a long time away!

Thanks so much for providing a place for such rich discussion!
Susan

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Phantom Thief of Hearts

May 15, 2017 at 7:49 pm Reply

“That is because God IS the consciousness of all that exists.” From my own experience and research, also including games like the Persona series and Final fantasy and also Quantum Physics. I came to that conclusion, that this music hits the mark “row, row your boat gently down the stream, merrily, merrily, life is about a dream”, or in the movie “Life of Pi” it touches also this “Tales Of Creation

Brahma Dreaming is a collection of mythological adaptations in three parts, each centring on one of the great gods within the Hindu trinity, or ‘trimurti’. Brahma, Shiva and Vishnu correspond to the cosmic forces of Creation, Destruction and Preservation, and it is largely their adventures that drive the story forward. From the moment that Lord Brahma dreams the world into existence,” , but also a quote of the last line of Mewtwo on the movie Pokémon, that basically the circumstances of how “One” came to be is irrelevant, but how you choose your life, is what defines “You”, that defines basically Free Will. Or using the “Ocean metaphor”, that the ocean is made with alot of drops of water, like the example of the atom, but only a single drop of water doesn’t create a ocean, but has the possibility to become an ocean, like a baby becomes an adult or a seed becomes a tree. Ghost in the shell is another create movie, that dwells on this subject. For me in conclusion, “We” are nothing more than Conscious trying to perceive and understand itself, that is also aware of being able to perceive itself, meaning a Self-aware Conscious, and that loop of Conscious perceiving itself and perceiving itself being perceived, creates all the drops of Conscious “We”, basically God is the Alpha and Omega of Existence, is Existence itself. So basically only exists One Real Consciousness and We are It many reflexes. Is like my realself looked to infinte mirrored images of myself, but only exist One realself, lol. I hope you understood my point. 🙂

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joshlangleyauthor

August 19, 2017 at 12:21 am Reply

What you have written resonates with me. Thank you for actually taking the time to put your thoughts down. I use the analogy of a flower where each petal is an incarnation. Its a strong visual metaphor to describe something as mind bending like this.

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  August 20, 2017 at 9:35 am Reply
  
  I really think the flower is a good visual to use, thank you! Each petal is an individual object, seemingly separate, but a part of the greater whole. I wonder how many hierarchical levels our existence stretches out to? Infinity? God? Heady stuff.
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Norman Jenulis

October 27, 2017 at 10:32 pm Reply

Dear Jenn:

I’ve been sporadically sampling various parts and topics throughout your website for the past few weeks and must commend you highly for what you have accomplished since its inception. The fact that Professor Stafford Betty felt compelled to praise your efforts says a lot about the quality, breadth and depth of your work. The part that initially caught my attention was your “mission statement” as detailed under the About tab because that’s the approach I’m most comfortable with. I think you called it “evidential spiritualism”, with the emphasis on evidence beyond a reasonable doubt.

That brings me to the substance of my introductory comment on your site: Evidence for the existence of reincarnation beyond a reasonable doubt. Since it is nearly impossible to prove a negative (i.e., that reincarnation and all of its allied aspects such as past life regression and pre-birth planning, etc.), I won’t take up valuable space and time here. I will just say that my gut, supported by reason and logic vis-a-vis the various premises and doubtful or incomplete evidence for reincarnation’s existence, leads me away from any degree of acceptance. My litmus test is simple (think Occam’s Razor; viz. that the hypothesis with the fewest assumptions is the one that is probably closest to the truth): If an afterlife theory is too complex and convoluted, it is suspect to me based on assumptions within more assumptions ad infinitum.

I think Sally (above) says it best:

“Trouble is – each theory begets another theory. Belief systems are based on logical searches and therefore, mostly make perfect sense. But – just because something makes sense doesn’t mean it is true. We are trying to put together a 1,000 piece jigsaw when 950 of the pieces are missing. So its no use demanding that our interpretation of the picture is the right one. We just DON’T KNOW. In fact, NO BODY KNOWS. However, it’s interesting searching. And most importantly, the search expands our consciousness so that when we are eventually confronted with the truth, we will be better equipped to deal with it.“

My advice to all “evidential spiritualists” (including myself) is to be aware of the constant hoard of qualifiers (e.g., might, could, may, possibly, as well as the arrogant “should”) supporting any controversial theory like reincarnation. It’s not for nothing that “beyond a reasonable doubt” has a very high bar to overcome. After all, someone’s mortal life or immortal soul (qualifier alert!!) could be at risk.

Happy researching,
Norm J.

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  October 28, 2017 at 12:46 pm Reply
  
  Dear Norman,
  
  Thank you for your kind compliments. We seem to be on the same page as far as evidential spirituality is concerned, and it’s always nice to meet someone who understands where I’m coming from in that regard. Thank you for reminding me that even at our best, our comprehension will never be complete while we are on this earth. Sometimes I feel like I’m getting closer to understanding even a small part of this reality, and sometimes I feel like I’ve landed back at square one and my physical and ego biases become excruciatingly clear. I am aware that even unconscious cultural biases influence how I may perceive the evidence, and it may not even be something I can ever really control or erase. My constant check on my self is to ensure that I am not getting too attached to any one theory or idea about the afterlife or reality, knowing that science could very well find a very non-spiritual answer to many things we see as ‘signs’ of life after death as well as the understanding that should life after death exist, it is likely so far beyond anything that we can conceive of on earth, that we can only be left with poor interpretations and analogy. I’ve heard many people suggest that because we could never possibly understand, that it is worthless to even try which I do not agree with, for I think there must be a reason why such phenomena exists, along with the instilled capacity for humans to desire religious or spiritual connection. The search for meaning in our lives and the all-important sense of hope helps alleviate the tendency for our species to devolve into vicious competitiveness. When I wrote that piece on reincarnation, it was during one of those times of realizing that our understanding is hopelessly limited and very biased by our ego. Reincarnation, if it does exist, likely isn’t anything like the popular conception of “same soul, different body’, but far more complex and a lot less dependent on individuality, something that scares almost everyone, including me. But I’ve realized that it is a mistake to hold on to any theory or idea based on what is comfortable for my selfish mind. Thank you also for pointing out about the qualifiers – I have been making more of an effort when presenting evidence to remain neutral and allow my readers to mull over their own conclusions. When I write opinion pieces, I try to keep it less about drawing any ultimate conclusions and more about giving my readers the chance to find out what the evidence means for them. This blog has been such an interesting learning experience for me, and I can see the evolution when I look back at older posts, which were far more about presenting my own conclusions than allowing for different interpretations. I’ve learned since then, and will keep in mind about the qualifiers – that is a great point.
  Thanks for the thought-provoking comment, I really appreciate your thoughts on this.
  -Jenn
  
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Norman Jenulis

October 28, 2017 at 10:00 pm Reply

Jenn, thank you for responding to my comments. It takes a lot of courage to bare one’s soul, so to speak, and I commend you for being so open about your perceived spiritual limitations. Rest assured, you are not alone in any of this … It’s a hallmark of being human and, I believe, a prerequisite for spiritual growth, which is what I want to touch on.

After nearly six years, I am well past the evidence-evaluation stage for accepting the existence of a spirit world with an afterlife populated by immortal souls; banishment of the fear of death is infinitely liberating. My current efforts are dedicated to building on whatever spiritual progress I have been able to achieve before I transition (I’m in my 80th year, but in excellent health). In order to accomplish this, I am focusing on the acquisition of universal spiritual truths by studying the exposition of them by spirits from the higher realms. For example, Silver Birch, Imperator (via the mediumship of William Stainton Moses) and yes, Jesus Christ, in addition to others. Toward this end, I would like to recommend the following book entitled Spiritual Light, which does exactly that while encouraging its readers to think for themselves and not accept anything that makes them feel uncomfortable. You can find it at https://www.amazon.com/Spiritual-Light-Universal-Teachings-Highest/dp/099124222X.

My method is to integrate their commonalities into my day-to-day existence of thoughts, words and actions. That is the big challenge: To apply them successfully, which is always a constant struggle honored more in the breach than in the observance. But I continue to soldier on.

So, there you have it. Based on the array of evidence I have evaluated, I’m already a believer in the survival of the soul after death and its entry into a level of the spirit world consistent with its spiritual progress while on earth. Since that progress will continue after transition, I see no need to reincarnate, only to start over again from scratch … But that’s just me.

Regards,
Norm

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  November 4, 2017 at 10:43 am Reply
  
  Dear Norm,
  
  Thank you so much. I appreciate your wisdom and philosophical perspective with regard to your plan to deepen your spiritual knowledge and wisdom. I hope to accomplish what you have as I get older – That is, getting past the evidence stage and simply building on spiritual progress by studying the great teachers. I have often said that the purpose of aging is spiritual in nature; something that our materialistic and youth-obsessed culture has seemed to forget in our fast times. Are you familiar with volume I and II of Rita’s World by Frank DeMarco? If you aren’t, I think you would find the spiritual wisdom fascinating. DeMarco’s books are technical and sophisticated. You are obviously extremely knowledgeable about spiritual literature and like me, are probably bored with most of what is published. Rita’s World presents some new ideas that I found fascinating to ponder for long periods of time. Thank you very much for your recommendation of Spiritual Light, I’m really looking forward to reading it.
  
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    December 28, 2017 at 6:00 pm Reply
    
    The matrix that is being played is your own mind, mind is the matrix, and unless you find ways to stop the mind you wont ever be released from self and time.
    Whatever you think you discover has no reality but impressions that impregnates the mind.
    To be released from all these illusions and personalities you must eradicate them all and become no one.
    And when you reach to the state of being no body then your concerns are dropped and you wont be neither mind and nor the body but remain as the beyond…you exit the matrix and the game is done..
    
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Norman Jenulis

November 4, 2017 at 11:28 pm Reply

Hi Jenn:

I downloaded and carefully read the opening chapters (Kindle samples) from each volume of Rita’s World by Frank DeMarco. However, I’m not certain that I will read them in full for the following reasons:

> As you implied, the books are more evidentiary than revelatory of spiritual truths, which is my primary focus at this stage of the long journey ahead.

> Leaving authenticity aside, my initial impression was that here is one more all-encompassing view “beyond the veil” that attempts to describe what the spirit world is like. As you mention, it is more sophisticated than most, which makes it somewhat challenging to get one’s mind around. Yet, I suspect that there are nuggets of wisdom that you hinted at. Usually there are, at the very highest levels of exposition in these types of work. The problem occurs when they begin to discuss the details and things become complex and convoluted, which may be unfair since I’ve read only a fraction of the material. I apologize if I am speaking too soon.

My point is that if someone is trying to communicate a complex message to the widest audience possible, the message should first be simple as well as understandable to most people … Think Jesus’ Sermon On the Mount, and Einstein’s E = mc2.

In addition to my previous recommendation of Spiritual Light, I would like to offer several others as preliminary to and background for anyone’s study of evidentiary material supporting the run-up to the universal laws underlying spiritual truths:

> The Jefferson Bible http://uuhouston.org/files/The_Jefferson_Bible.pdf
> Stafford Betty https://www.amazon.com/Stafford-Betty/e/B001KDCRH0
> Michael Tymn http://whitecrowbooks.com/michaeltymn/
> Steve Beckow http://goldengaiadb.com/index.php?title=New_Maps_of_Heaven

Best wishes,
Norm

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metgat

November 5, 2017 at 8:39 pm Reply

Jenn,

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing your ideas. For whatever it is worth, I’d like to add what the discarnate Frederic Myers communicated about reincarnation. I think it is fairly consistent with your ideas.

Myers, one of the pioneers of psychical research, purportedly communicated through several credible mediums following his death in 1901. One of those mediums was Geraldine Cummins of Ireland, a trance automatist. Much of what Myers had to say through the hand of Cummins is set forth in The Road to Immortality, first published in 1932. Among other subjects, Myers discussed the group-soul and reincarnation. “While I was on earth, I belonged to a group-soul, but its branches and the spirit – which might be compared to the roots – were in the invisible,” Myers wrote. “Now, if you would understand psychic evolution, this group-soul must be studied and understood. For instance, it explains many of the difficulties that people will assure you can be removed only by the doctrine of reincarnation. You may think my statement frivolous, but the fact that we do appear on earth to be paying for the sins of another life is, in a certain sense, true. It is our life and yet not our life.”

Myers went on to explain that a soul belonging to the group of which he was part lived a previous life and built for him a framework for his own earthly life. The spirit – the bond of the group soul – manifests, he said, many times on earth.

“We are all of us distinct,” he continued, “though we are influenced by others of our community on the various planes of being.” He further explained that a group soul might contain twenty souls, a hundred souls, or a thousand souls.

“When your Buddhist speaks of the cycle of birth, of man’s continual return to earth, he utters but a half-truth,” Myers went on. “And often a half-truth is more inaccurate than an entire misstatement. I shall not live again on earth, but a new soul, one who will join our group, will shortly enter into the pattern of karma I have woven for him on earth.”

Myers likened the soul to a spectator caught within the spell of some drama outside of its actual life, perceiving all the consequences of acts, moods, and thoughts of a kindred soul. He further pointed out that there are an infinite variety of conditions in the invisible world and that he made no claim to being infallible. He called it a “general rule” based on what he had learned and experienced on the Other Side.

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Norman Jenulis

November 5, 2017 at 11:22 pm Reply

metgat:

Respectfully, I would refer you and others to two fairly recent books to the contrary: Reincarnation Refuted: – Evidence, Logic and Common Sense by Stephen Blake and Reincarnation: A Critical Examination by Paul Edwards (both available from Amazon). It has been a while since I read them, but I seem to recall that Blake takes Dr. Ian Stevenson (reincarnation’s gold standard) head on and counters his “20 Cases” arguments with enough “evidence, logic and common sense” to at least neutralizes Stevenson’s assumptions based on speculation and masquerading as certainty. It’s curious that the bulk of the cases involve young children from Southeast Asia who (for the most part) have forgotten the very vivid and explicit details of their former lives by the ages of seven or eight years. His successor at UVA’s Division of Perceptual Studies (Jim Tucker) is attempting to prop up Stevenson’s fragile conclusions with his own research.

As per Frederic W. H. Myers’ two-volume magnus opus (Human Personality and Its Survival of Bodily Death), one would expect him to be among the most spiritually prepared beings upon entry into the spirit world. I do not discount the accuracy of Geraldine Cummins et al. in channeling Myers, but we must be aware that “recently” transitioned spirits initially carry over their earthly beliefs to the other side. In addition,
The newly arrived spirit being (qualifier alert!) is likely to learn things that counter those earthly beliefs as he/she progresses to successively higher realms. Some spirit beings have even been known to attempt intentional deception in order to inflate their importance; after all, our earthly personalities accompany our earthly beliefs. I must say, however, not necessarily in Myers’ case. Because (as you infer) he had a sterling reputation as a psychical researcher (as well as being one of the founders of the prestigious Society for Psychical Research Research in London). A great paranormal pioneer!

Myers sort of reminds me of Jenn’s recommendation of Frank DeMarco’s Rita’s World volumes: i.e., a highly-motivated and knowledgeable individual who compares notes with him/herself after transitioning. Please see my recent comment to her on that subject.

I applaud you (and the others) for the quality and depth of your comments, which is the primary reason I have become somewhat active on Jenn’s site. Not to mention the high standards she sets by example.

Best wishes,
Norm Jenulis

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metgat

November 6, 2017 at 11:01 pm Reply

Norm,

Thank you for your comments and the references. I think we are about the same place in our paths and the same age. I prefer to disbelieve in reincarnation because I don’t want to do this again. However, the single lifetime makes absolutely no sense, so I am content to accept Myers’s view of it or, better yet, to accept the Glastonbury spirit’s comment that we all “blind gropers” when it comes to understanding reincarnation. See my blog at
http://whitecrowbooks.com/michaeltymn/month/2011/04/ but scroll down to the entry below “The True Mission of Christ.”
Aloha from Hawaii!
Mike

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Norman Jenulis

November 7, 2017 at 8:12 am Reply

Hello Mike:

Thank you for responding; it is an honor. Your work has been one of the key resources for the acquisition of my spiritual knowledge since deciding to follow this path. The link to your WCB blog was very informative and, in particular, I liked the way you summed things up at the end:

“It is enough to know that consciousness survives physical death and lives on in a progressive spirit world.”

My sentiments exactly.

Best wishes,
Norm

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Leo

January 3, 2018 at 8:13 pm Reply

It seems you’re saying that once we die, we lose control over our individual selves and become part of a higher identity, our higher self, that now has control over the “I” that we experience here in our current personality on earth. It seems a death of sorts, a loss of that individual control and autonomy. Is that correct? Is my self awareness only a small part, ultimately non autonomous, of a higher being that will have different thoughts and experiences?
That’s a depressing thought indeed. A soul slavery of sorts, perhaps.

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  January 5, 2018 at 8:10 pm Reply
  
  Hi Leo,
  Yes – the idea of ego dissolution kind of terrifies me. Buddhists try to achieve this sort of oneness but I am pretty attached to myself and the thought of ‘dissolving into oneness’ with a higher self is something that doesn’t sit well with me. On the other hand, I try to take hope in some of the NDE experiences I’ve read where people say they both unified with oneness but retained their sense of self. Each one of them wanted to stay there and not return to earthly life, so it must feel like something we want to do when we get there. I remember a line from Frank DeMarco’s book, “Rita’s World’ when he first contacted his deceased friend 8 years after her death. She said to him, “I am the Rita that you knew, but I am also so much more than the Rita that you knew’. So perhaps it is not a subtracting of personality and individuality, but an adding of connectedness.
  Jenn
  
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    January 6, 2018 at 1:01 am Reply
    
    Thank you for the reply, Jenn- what you say makes sense.
    However, about the cited example from ‘Rita’s World’, I wonder whether it is truly Rita or not in there.
    Is Rita still fully aware and “independent”, or is this new being, “Rita 2.0”, the sum of Rita and perhaps other personalities (much more than Rita, as described), now aware of Rita’s likes and dislikes, having absorbed her, and so able to identify with Rita but not the same consciousness. The consciousness previously referred to Rita having extinguished herself and losing her free will upon merging with this greater being.
    
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May 21, 2018 at 7:23 am Reply

Hi Jenn,

I am afraid you are speculating quite a lot in your article.I understand why you are trying to make sense out of the reincarnation business and remain hopeful about this whole process.
If you really want to maintain your identity after you die, my advice would be – stay as long as you can alone, don’t let any entities approach you. You may be able to regain all the knowledge and power once stolen from you. I base it on many accounts of people who travel in the astral realm and are convinced that we are being played into reincarnating over and over again. This requires letting your fear go..
What can you lose this way?

Szymon

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June 23, 2018 at 5:39 am Reply

Thank you for this thoughtful article. I would like to add that the line of argumentation corresponds to what can be learned from Bashar (videos on youtube. (channelled by Daryl Anka). According to him we also have parallel lifetimes in parallel universes at the same “time”, which is a kind of logical extension of your thoughts. So the big picture is even more challenging. In a way those parallel lifes correspond to the lifes lived according to Seth in probable realities. As far as “All-that-is” is concerned, according to Bashar, it’s a particle. Conscious of itself. It is ONE, SINGLE particle, not one category of particles, such as e.g. the Higgs Boson. ONE, SINGLE particle, creating each and everything.This single particle is travelling with INFINITE speed, constantly criss-crossing itself on its way. Where it is crisscrossing itself it is creating matter. The more often this crisscrossing occurs the denser reality becomes at those points (of crisscrossing).

As far as your concept of reincarnation is concerned, please have a look at the cover of an Elton John CD (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cf1otXHKSpE). Think of each of the little shards as a different but complementary (essentially necessary) part of the larger personality of Elton john. Helps to visualize the issue a bit.

Bashar and Seth’s teachings correspond to each other. Their angle is different. Bashar is much more physically oriented.

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  June 23, 2018 at 5:43 am Reply
  
  The single particle is creating EVERYTHING, starting with electrons and protons, etc.
  
  Thus, we are all made up of this single particle. It is “All-that-is”.
  
  Earth is a psychological laboratory. It is neither good nor bad, nor is it meant to be good or bad, It is a lab. Some versions of earth have been destroyed 20, 30 years ago by nuclear war, as probable as it was at that time.
  
  Other versions of earth still exist, such as this one.
  
  If you don’t like what you see around you, change your behaviour (your reaction to what you are seeing) and you are shifting to a parallel version of earth which is more in line with your expectations and desire. This shifting is a normal process. You are doing it constantly and automatically. Time does not exist. Everything is static. By shifting through various (already and always existing static versions of) earths, you are creating the experience of time.
  
  You attract what you are the vibration of. Conscious shifting occurs by changing your vibration consciously to match the frequency of the earth you wish to be part of as specific laboratory environment, i.e. the better earth.
  
  Shifting occurs with the rate of PLANCK-time. (Billions of time per second). This is what creates what we perceive as time, movement and experiences.
  
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    June 23, 2018 at 5:51 am Reply
    
    To be precise: You do not ATTRACT what you are the vibration of. You are SHIFTING to a version of earth which is more in line with your expectations or desires. That version of earth already exists. You do not attract it. You are attracted TO it. And you reach it by SHIFTING.
    
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      June 23, 2018 at 6:16 am Reply
      
      By the way, as it is a concern expressed in many of the comments, according to Bashar (and Seth) your personality ego (the one you identify yourself with at the moment) is never being dissolved (like a piece of sugar in a large pot of water), abandoned, destroyed, neutralized, etc.
      
      After death, you become MORE of yourself, not less. Your self-aware ego-personality structure just continues. Geoge will never “die” after death, nor will it become Jennifer again, nor will it in any way become less in terms of an ego-personality than it was at the time of the transition. (Persons suffering from becoming “less than they were earlier” by dementia, will regain their status-quo-ante-Ego at the point of transition (source both, Seth and Bashar).
      
      George will also not be merged (and thus annihilated by integration) with any kind of George II, be it in a parallel universe, or in the future. Seth is not Seth II. Seth is part of Seth II but an independent personality.
      
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        June 23, 2018 at 6:23 am Reply
        
        Look at a picture of fractals. This exemplifies the principle a bit.
        
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        June 23, 2018 at 8:47 am Reply
        
        and the “Nine levels of consciousness session” of Bashar
        
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    June 23, 2018 at 8:01 am Reply
    
    Btw: if you extrapolate from quantum physics, the “double slit” experiment and the “multi-worlds-theory”, parallel lives of the present incarnation in parallel universes (locations) are just a kind of logical next step. The key concept of quantum physics is “probability” which is fully in line with Seth’s terminology.
    
    Talbot’s book on the holographic universe (Bohm, Pribram) may help a lot. Downloadable
    
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      June 23, 2018 at 5:35 pm Reply
      
      According to Bashar, it is the higher self which is the entity to decide: ” I ” had a life as Jennifer. I made the experience x,y,z, and I want to have another life in a male body (George or Hans) to have the “z”-experience again, but this time more specifically and from a male perspective, etc. So, ” I ” am planning for “my” next incarnation and this time I will incarnate in a male body. This “I”-entity is the higher self, but not one of the reincarnational selves, which are just a functional part of it. Like the 5 fingers (Jenny, George) of a hand (overall entity level one). beyond which come level II, level III entities, etc.(oversoul , compound oversouls,), As you described it very clearly.
      
      The conundrum which you did outline so carefully, is no conundrum at all at the higher self level. This is the level where the familiar reincarnation logic works. But it does not work at the level of the incarnating personalities (Jennifer, George). They just go on after their death and widen their perspective in other reality types (Seth), e.g. in reality types where thoughts manifest more directly than here on earth.
      
      Both, Seth and Bashar emphasize that ALL incarnations take place at the same time. However, there are numerous links and psychological cross-connections, interactions etc. between the multiple, simultaneously incarnated and incarnating personalities. This is why incarnated personalities can have the impression that they have subjective memories of “past” lives or get glimpses of “future” lives, etc.
      
      But time does not exist. The whole chain of events is not “vertical” in time. It is horizontal.
      
      (Sorry for the many posts)
      
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        June 25, 2018 at 5:50 am Reply
        
        And a final one (sorry)
        
        According to Seth (session 728) you may decide to be borne 5 times in 1940. 5 different and unique incarnations in 5 different timelines, all starting in 1940, all of them dealing with different probabilities, each one with its own, subjectively felt “I”-identity (individuated personality), each one feeling independent and not knowing anything about the respective other 4.
        
        Opens the space for several Jennifers, living now.
        
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July 26, 2018 at 9:05 am Reply

I looked the issue up again using some of the records of previous Bashar sessions. According to that information you do NOT reincarnate.

“The “You” you are was never those people (past incarnations). Those people will never become you. You may have the same oversoul connection .Every single discrete incarnation is its own person. The cross-connections all exist in the present. Your current experiences are not caused by previous lifes” (Bashar)
Unfortunately I cannot provide the transcripts or links to the Bashar session videos. The communication policy of “Bashar communications” has changed over the past years and I do respect that. The videos which could be retrieved from youtube are also no longer there.
The information from Bashar is the most inclusive, coherent and comprehensive compendium of information I found so far. Given the fact that the only way we can measure the seriousness of such type of information is by the slow degree or – even better – the lack of inherently contradictory statements, my personal impression is that this source is highly credible (leaving some minor distortions in terms of variations in dates and years aside, which are explained by Bashar as the result of constantly modified energy patterns) and it is in line with cutting edge scientific developments, in particular quantum physics.
According to Bashar, reality does not exist. What we “perceive” is a reality version (constantly being exchanged by another one at the rate of Planck time) which we get (“download”) from an infinite, eternally available compendium of static virtual reality versions, from which we chose and thus select those versions with which we are most aligned vibrationally, while at the same time pursuing our theme in life as an individuated and eternal personality construct (with an “I” identity, which can never ever be annihilated).
According to (earthly) quantum physicists, reality does not exist as well. There is no “out there” out there. It is all a projection, and it is all INSIDE.
Thus, the parallels between the two approaches are striking.
Please go to youtube to see a sequence of four videos (“the holographic universe”) which obviously have been produced by someone who was equally familiar with the concepts of mainstream quantum physics, as well as unconventional sources such as Seth and Bashar.
If you want to read a relatively easy introduction into the concept of the holographic universe, in which we are rather a holographically projected entity which has access to all other information bits of the giant multiverse at any given moment, please consult Talbots book on the holographic universe. He describes in simple terms the concepts of Bohm and Pribram, both Nobel laureates (a physicist and a psychologist) who arrived at the same concept independently. Talbots book is downloadable from the net. If you are more familiar with the technical terminology you may also wish to have a look at the videos of Tom Campbell (my big TOE) and a recently conducted experiment, allegedly attesting to the virtual character of our reality (2018).
It is more than likely that a different, i.e. more comprehensive understanding regarding the “nothing” which is basically “out there” will also change the type of questions we feel urged to ask regarding the structures of our “afterlife’ experiences (or the way we are going to plan our lives) and/or our dream experiences.
If you tend to shy back from the new concept, you are in any way in good companionship. Einstein as well was not very much in favour of the idea that the moon might not be there (would cease to exist) as soon as one is no longer looking at it. “Too much philosophical baggage” (Einstein). Consequently he left the spooky area and concentrated more on “down-to earth topics”, such as his general theory of relativity.
By the way, if you read the Bashar statement above carefully, you will see that you are also not chased by some form of Karma. The cross-connections which are physically unfolding IN THE PRESENT are meant (deliberately designed by “all-that-is”) for all incarnated and incarnating versions of you currently existing in the past and the future to collectively grow and gain from each other mutually. Not to harm, hamper, destroy, punish etc.

Related questions of some of the Bashar sessions, which I could find:

Sacred Circuitry session (2010)
Q&A: Details of the ¨size of the weave ¨of spirit reality: the Planck length.

Shifting through infinity (2010)
Bashar describes the universe from a new perspective and introduces the concept of reality as an infinitude of still frames passing through our consciousness at a rate of billions per second.

Q&A: What is the speed of light in relation to zero motion, and in other densities? How can we best change the world to our liking? When we shift to a new reality and become a new person, do we ever go back to the old person? Clarification

Slip dream (2010)
Q&A
How can I see into other realities?
I had a dream about traveling through infinite realities. What was all that about?
What really happens to us as human beings when leave our physical form, when we actually die? Do we retain our consciousness? Do we retain our memories? Do we reappear in another physical form?
How do I know that I have existed in the past? Why can’t I remember my past existence or my past parallel universe?
Can you explain multiple simultaneous incarnations?
How do you retain your own viewpoint when operating in a multiverse?

Simultaneity of existence (2010)
Bashar provides us with a unique understanding of how we create linear time and our experience of the past, present and future. Using concepts from quantum physics, Bashar shares with us the truth behind the concepts of past lives and reincarnation, and then explains how we can use our multi-dimensional nature to effortlessly create major changes in our reality

Q&A Includes:

Physical reality as a reflection.
Understanding your connection to “past lives”
An in-depth discussion of how you create interactions with other people in physical reality.

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August 5, 2018 at 11:58 am Reply

According to Bashar the physical mechanism of creating “reality” is the same on all planes, up to the level of “the One”. It is about shifting through an infinite number of parallel reality versions at the rate of Planck-time. The higher vibrational realms are shifting at a higher vibrational rate. Furthermore, the perception rate (of the still and static frames) is higher in the afterlife, there is less linearity, and the frames are also denser, i.e. a) they contain more information and b) they are “double-exposed” (in his analogy). Thus, beings in higher realms – via shifting at higher frequencies – can e.g. manifest immediately. The content of the frames is also richer, hence e.g. the colours we do not know of on earth. Spiritual beings can be at several places at the same time, which is the result of the double exposure (in his analogy).

There is only “the One”, unaware of itself and not knowing anything about it. One facet of “the One” became “All-that-is” and is creating all that is. At all levels (other than ‘the One’). We are part of the endless scenery and we are made up of ‘all-that-is’, which is a single, conscious particle, not subject to time and space. Time and space are subject to it. We contribute our ‘I’- perspective to the creation of ‘All-that-is’, by being who we are and by undergoing the experiences we make in life. Our experiences are what we as individualized, eternal and indestructible ‘I’- aspects of ‘All-that-is’ contribute to creation. The added value so to speak. However, the structure of existence already exists.

Everything which can be imagined already exists somewhere, somehow. By shifting through infinity (the reality frames of the hologram) we are selecting reality frames which are in line with our vibration to make experiences. Those experiences is what creation is ultimately all about. The experiences we make are new and unique and eternal. In that way, ultimately, the One can experience itself through the reflections brought to it by all of us, i.e. anyone of us who is the individuated he/she/it aspect of ‘All-that-is’.

Would we be able to shift through the reality frames at a higher vibrational rate, we would be able to manifest an environment similar to what we call heaven. Usually we don’t. Thus we stick to a specific frequency of options. Bilocation, levitation, miracles are the exception rather than the rule for us as long as we are here on earth. If we ‘die’ we wake up from a dream, our ‘reality-dream’ and find ourselves at home where the main part of our consciousness is residing. It never left. We are only a fraction of it.

We are ‘here on earth’ to make experiences faster and more intensive and with a lasting effect. We could do the same in the spirit realm but it would be a little bit like a narrated meal. Life per se is neutral. It is us who are assigning the meaning to our life events. If we are not satisfied with the way our life unfolds we are able to change it immediately within the confines of the physics available to us at our rate of vibration. We are not bound by historical events. There are no chains and iron balls we cannot get rid of.

We are ‘all-that-is’. Everyone of us. We are the projector. We ARE the creation, i.e. WE are the creation. Good and bad are relative concepts. Guilt and Karma don’t exist unless we choose to make them part of our life experiences. However it would tear us down.

(I assume the term ‘double exposure’ could be replaced by ‘superimposition’ but the information received from Bashar is the result of the questions which are asked. Usually people do not ask those questions. Double exposure is the term he used so far, but it is still an analogy).

And: everything is INSIDE. There is no ‘out there’ out there. And we don’t reincarnate, we continue.

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  August 5, 2018 at 1:05 pm Reply
  
  Clarification: The structure of existence already exists. It never changes.
  
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    August 5, 2018 at 3:20 pm Reply
    
    The rate of shifting is always the same. It cannot be faster than Planck time, which is incredibly fast (the time it takes for light to pass a Planck-length). But we perceive only 40 or 50 reality frames per second (for comparison: a movie film shows 24 frames per second), Currently, we cannot perceive more frames – despite the incredible rate of shifting – because our brain is not yet structured and wired to actively process more frames. This will change in the future with us vibrating at a higher level. But it is obvious that there is ample room for ‘improvement’ between the 40 cycles per second and the Planck-time rate which is the fundamental frequency pulse of the universe/multiverse. (Info: Bashar)
    
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    August 7, 2018 at 3:51 pm Reply
    
    Clarification: The ‘One’ does not not know itself. It is not self-aware, not aware of itself. In order to become self-aware, it takes ‘an other’ as a reference point. The ‘One’ has per se no reference point. Thus, one facet of the ‘One’ became ‘All-that-is’. Through ‘All-that-is’ the ‘One’ can finally recognize itself as the ‘One’.
    
    There is nothing outside of existence. Whatever can be conceived or thought of does exist somewhere and is experienced by someone. You cannot think of anything outside of creation. Whatever you can think of, however crazy it may be, must be part of creation, and it is being realized somewhere.
    
    We have past, present (concurrant) and future lives, all taking place simultaneously. Time does not exist. There is just the ‘Now’-moment (as there is just the one single particle), which is perceived form an infinite number of angles. The Past is created from the present, not the other way around (hard to swallow, but logical). Every past,present and future life, has an infinite number of parallel selves, realizing very similar lives, lives which are a little bit less similar, lives which are again less similar, lives which are just a little bit similar, and lives which are completely unrelated to the reference life (‘our’ life). All lives are lived by entities which perceive themselves as fully-fledged ‘I’-identities. Many of your parallel selves may be reading this article right ‘now’ (in their parallel reality), convinced that they are the only ones reading that article and that the concept of parallel lives is complete nonsense.
    
    There are oversouls, and oversouls of oversouls, and oversouls of oversouls of oversouls, etc., All up to the level of ‘All-that-is’. But there are parallel ‘All-that-is’es as well and there are oversouls of all parallel ‘All-that-is’es. …and up, and up, and up…until, until, until… (Bashar). It is never ending. It is creation. And experiences are the core essence of it. And we are the driving engine.
    
    Bashar only uses the term “parallel life” subsuming just everything thereunder. But the concept, although broader, correlates with Seth’s statement that anything which has a certain probability, is materialized somewhere by someone.
    
    If you check this homepage you find a transition story, where an unbelieving newbie is given the information by a higher spirit or some kind of similar entity, that there are heavens as numerous as grains of sand on the beach. It looks that there is a need for so many heavens. Otherwise the parallels would run into the next logical conundrum.
    
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      August 8, 2018 at 6:26 am Reply
      
      According to Bashar we all have an infinite number of so called parallel lives. Actually he is not very precise when using this term. When asked in the sessions about the number of past lives, his answer is different: ‘It is 137, now’, ‘it is 147, now’, ‘it is 139, now’, ‘it is 125 now’. Thus, far away from ‘infinite’. The issue is not, do we have an infinite number of parallel lives (he has a tendency to subsume past, present, concurrant-overlapping, future and all the respective parallel lives under this single term), the issue is, how many of them are relevant for you at this very moment. Depending on the rate at which you vibrate, your respective circumstances and the theme you have chosen for your current life.
      
      You make the cross-connections to those lives from the ‘now’ to draw upon the experiences from ‘your’ other past or future lives – which are simultaneously going on in the ‘now’ (but not by ‘YOU’, i.e. the ‘You’ with your current ‘I’-identity), to the extent they are relevant for you and your theme at a given moment. Hence the oscillating numbers.
      
      But in a way, he is consequent. He says that there is also an infinite number of Bashars talking to us in parallel realities, if we choose to do so. According to him he is just a mediator. When we talk to him we are actually talking to our Higher Mind. We could do that with the same or similar results during a private meditation as well. Some questions cannot be answered because he is not entitled to provide the answer. Not entitled by the Higher Mind of the questioner. This is what he claims.
      
      In a sense there is no such thing as ‘suicide’. Every death is a ‘suicide’ in a way because it is the higher mind, which is on the other side and never left, who decides to take the personal construct ‘out of the race’. It is not us to take that decision. Even in case of a ‘suicide’. This happens most likely when the agenda we have chosen for a specific life, the theme, has been successfully dealt with, or when it becomes clear that the agenda cannot be dealt with anymore in a satisfactory manner, e.g. because of external circumstances. No reason to blame anybody for anything or to feel guilty in any way.
      
      It can be that upon transition we are asked if we would like to continue with the current earth life. We can then decide to ultimately transit or to return to our earth life. In the latter case, however, we would find ourselves in a parallel reality and just continue our life THERE. Not knowing what happened. Those are typically the cases where we had a severe accident and no one can believe that we made it alive out of the wreckage. Actually, we didn’t. It is a parallel reality.
      
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August 11, 2018 at 4:57 pm Reply

There is only one moment in time which is ‘now’. It is always ‘now’. It is never ‘then’ or ‘when’. There is only one moment, in the same way as there is only one particle forming the whole of reality. Even if it is hard to swallow, we create the past from the present, not the other way around. This is logically correct as there is only the ‘now’. With every new moment we also have a new past, even if we don’t know it, because we are creating the past from the present. We only think the past is still the same.

Sometimes it is not. Then we have a past which is entirely different from what we think, but we don’t realize that. The old history is no longer there to compare. That was the history of a completely different reality version which we left a moment ago. Now we are a completely new person in a completely new reality with a completely new history which is created completely anew from the present.

Bashar is referring to cases of multiple personality disorders. Scientifically documented cases where one personality (residing in a specific body) is suffering from a cancerous tumour or an allergy, while the other personality (residing in the same body alternately) does not. According to him this is a clear sign of two entirely different timelines merging in a single body consciousness (on an exceptional basis, of course). The personality aspect without the tumerous cancer is coming from a timeline where the cancer did not have the (physical) time to grow.

If we truly understand that we are constantly a newly created person ‘from moment to moment to moment’, and that there is actually nothing else but the ‘now’ (past and future are just concepts, no reality, in 20 years from now it will be ‘now’), we will understand that we have no specific past, in particular that we do not have to have the past we think you do.

The ‘Past’, as a memory construct, is created from the present, not the other way around. We are only used to think that the present is the result of the past. In this context Bashar is often referring to what he calls the 13th step. If we are addicted to something and we want to get rid of it: once we truly understand that we are an entirely newly created person who has no (fixed) history, we are free to become immediately a person who is no longer addicted. Because this new person NEVER HAD the habit or the addiction. The habit is no longer part of the newly created timeline which comes with the newly created personality. And there is thus no physical urge anymore.

We can apply this approach to anything which seems to be a burden for us resulting from our ‘past’ (childhood issues etc.). We may experience how liberating a proper understanding of the real physical mechanism of existence actually is. We are literally bound by nothing. We are physically a new person ‘from moment to moment to moment’. With the reliability of Planck-time. We all are. And we are just beginning to understand that now. His most liberating message is that ‘life is meaningless’. It has no built-in meaning. We are assigning meaning to our life events, and it is up to us to give them a positive meaning by systematically distilling a positive effect from them, even if the intentions of others we have been confronted with, have been ‘objectively’ negative…: ‘so what?’
According to Bashar, the sooner we become multidimensional beings (the term ‘spiritual’ may be more appropriate for this homepage, but without religious affiliations), the more we learn to understand how malleable and multifaceted our reality actually is. And the sooner we will understand the structure and the logical system of existence.

(I was hesitating to post this, but it is a crucial part of the puzzle, as it sheds specific light on the correlation between our present life and ‘our’ past lives as well. If we really understand that there is no such thing as purgatory, karma, or the chains and iron balls we have to carry around as result of some unpleasant childhood events, the message is a liberating one, and only that. It requires however to connect it systematically with physical sciences to validate it and enhance the credibility of its spiritual content. By the way, I would not be surprised if there is more behind the importance of the 13th step, i.e. information not yet communicated so far. In Buddhist countries you have always 13 layers on top of the stupas and the Buddha figures).

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  August 12, 2018 at 5:11 am Reply
  
  According to Bashar we live in a reality version where we have the impression that John F. Kennedy died in 1963. We also have the impression that we have always known that this was the case and where this political event has been an irreplaceable part of both, our history and our memory. However, according to him we lived initially in a reality version where John F. Kennedy was NOT killed in 1963. He was the US President who went public with his knowledge about ET presence on earth while in office. Unfortunately, the society was not yet ready for that information and as a result of the riots and the commotion he was finally killed in 1968.
  
  Actually, the collective consciousness shifted to a reality in which JFK was killed in 1963 (without the premature disclosure and the ensuing commotion). The old reality, where he was killed in 1968 continued to send ripples as a remnant of the overarching event into the new reality. As the result of the ripples Martin Luther King and Robert Kennedy were killed in the reality which we had later accepted as our new reality.
  
  In the future we may end up again in a reality version where JFK managed to successfully disclose the existence of ETs and where the society was well prepared for the cultural and societal quantum leap – without turmoil, riots and commotion. Where JFK lived until 1984 and died of old age. Then, again, we will have a new collective history, and a new timeline which we will then collectively take for real.
  
  (Sorry for this post, but it is for the sake of completing the bigger picture. The issue with the past is hard to swallow but it sheds a new light on the fabric of existence and the the inherent interconnectedness of issues)
  
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August 14, 2018 at 11:23 am Reply

Bashar uses three different terms to describe something which is not easy to capture. Furthermore, the terms are not used absolutely consistently. Parallel realities and parallel lives are used somewhat interchangeably.

a) Time lines
b) Parallel realities
c) Parallel versions of ourselves.

A timeline covers the lifespan of one person. It can be a few hours or days, a few years, 100 years or longer. There are timelines of personalities living their lives right now in the 21st century, in previous centuries, and in future centuries. There may be more than one life currently going on in the present for which the same oversoul is in charge of. Those are then overlapping lives going on concurrently during your own timeline. You could even physically meet with those other persons. The past and the future lives are the lives we refer to when we speak of our past and future reincarnations. They are all going on simultaneously, because there is only one moment. There is only ‘now’. But from our linear space-time perspective some of them already happened, while others are still to come. You can cross-connect to those lives in the dream-state, in meditations, or by using your imagination, to the extent that they are relevant for your current live, your circumstances and the theme you have chosen for this life. But you are not them (the persons living those lives) and you will never be or become them. The overall number of those lives is oscillating depending on their relevance for you. Most of those lives take place on earth, some on other planets.

A parallel reality is another one of the infinite number of single virtual reality frames which are per se static and have no movement or live in them. We are all shifting through those different frames at an incredibly high speed, ultimately looking through the eyes of versions of us which are located in those specific frames. Those static versions are part of a larger holographic environment (the background) which is static as well. Our consciousness is constantly shifting through those frames, thus creating the illusion of time, movement, and experience. We are part of a specific scenery which does correspond to the frequency at which we vibrate. If we do not like the situation, we are free to shift to a scenery which is entirely different. The physical mechanism of shifting is always the same. We reach the preferred scenery (the static reality frames we prefer) by matching the frequency of those frames with our own vibration. In particular with the frequency of our belief systems. Our belief systems are the decisive factor. They are the ‘navigator’ and can bring us towards the version of earth we prefer. We never change the world we are on. We shift towards a version of earth we prefer.

Parallel versions of ourselves. Every lifetime in the past, the present, and the future comes with an infinite number of parallel lives (parallel versions of that life) unfolding in parallel realities by an infinite number of versions of ourselves which are not ‘us’. They are unfolding based on the same physical mechanism. Some of the static reality frames, which we are not using for our own life-stream, are used for parallel lives. They can be very similar to the frames we are using, different from our frames by just one atom, by some more atoms, by some miniscule issues, by more significant issues, in some cases by major issues, and finally by issues (events and circumstances) which have nothing to do anymore with the frames we are using for creating our illusion of continuity when shifting through them at the rate of Planck time to unfold our own life experiences. As one oversoul does host approximately 20 000 lives (mostly on earth), there must be parallel oversouls as well, orchestrating the lives of the multitude of parallel selves. On rare occasions Bashar actually uses the term parallel oversoul, but he did not yet delineate it so far, or describe the intersections between oversouls. Unfortunately, the questions which are being asked by the questioners in the sessions have not yet been precise enough to clarify that point. From a functional point of view the parallel lives (Bashar) correspond to what Seth describes as probable selves, in thus they ensure that any action which wants to be realized because there is a certain probability for it, is being materialized somewhere by someone. Bashar does not use categories such as probable selves or alternate selves. Whales are oversouls of dolphins. Oversouls of humans can not materialize on earth as there is no organism living on the surface of earth which is big enough to host the consciousness conglomerate of so many individual souls. Christ, Buddha, and Krishna did represent the overall consciousness of the entire planet.

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Namche

September 5, 2018 at 4:47 pm Reply

You are a soul, living a single live (a single incarnation). At the same time you are part of your oversoul (20 000 lives currently incarnated on earth), equally able to perceive yourself as the oversoul experiencing itself (yourself) as the entity which has all the different lives at the same time (all the past and future incarnations from a linear space-time perspective). Even when experiencing yourself as oversoul you are doing that with your ‘I’- identity which never dissolves even up to the level where you experience yourself as god. You are the eternal and individuated ‘I’-aspect of ‘All-that-is’ and this individualized perspective can never be destroyed. You are just becoming more of yourself, the higher you are going. Bashar is using the term ‘Indra’s net’ to describe a necklace where any of the other pearls are reflected in every of the other pearls of the necklace, so that each of the pearls contains the information of every other pearl (without becoming them or giving up the ‘single-pearl-identity’. The necklace itself would be the oversoul or an even higher level from which every single pearl could reflect on the necklace and any other pearl. (‘Mirror, mirror’, 2017). The principle of a hologram, not necessarily a necklace, but an infinite grid of pearls in ancient texts.

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1. Namche
  
  September 6, 2018 at 11:15 am Reply
  
  When you put a black dot on one of the pearls (‘your’ pearl) all the other pearls do reflect the black dot immediately. And vice versa. You are an informational nodal point. At all levels. And you never give up your ‘I’-identity. Nor does any of the other individuated ‘I’ perspectives which are equally part of creation.
  
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  1. Namche
    
    September 14, 2018 at 4:37 am Reply
    
    “YOU have never been any of those other people as a person, but from the oversoul perspective you can say you are all those persons. You can create that as an experience: having a life: dying, having another life: dying, having another life again: dying…because it is a perspective of how you are looking at the structure, but it is not an actual description of the actual mechanism at work. This is why 50 people can say “I was Cleopatra”. (Bashar’s Birthday Gift, 2017)
    
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Leo

September 24, 2018 at 1:36 am Reply

Hi,
As dar as I’ve read about Dr. Newton’s works, and NDEs, once past the life review and a possible period of restoration, the spirit rejoin the rest of his energy. All of it. In this energy are all the lives, which are all experienced together as memory. So your consciousness would expand from that of George or Jennifer into something far larger, that also incorporates the memories of George and Ajeniffer in it. I like to think of it as if playing a game of rpg, say, DVD but fully immersed, forgetting who “I am” truly. Once in character, I fully impersonate that personality, behaviors, wants and needs. Once out of character, I appreciate the journey from a higher point of view, taking all my previous characters and experiences into consideration for the next step in my journey of growth as a “player”.
It only seems natural. You just have to go beyond your idea of who”you are” and understand that you are neither George nor Jennifer. You are simply the observer/experiencer. Everything else are just layers on top, extra flavoring to craft a particular experience.
I have also read that time in the spirit world does not exist per se, but things still happen sequentially. It is just change. Time is a concept we have created for our understanding and reference here. It doesn’t exist period. All that exists is now and the growth happening now, always.

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nivek

October 8, 2018 at 3:36 pm Reply

First, there is no proof that Bashar is an alien and I should know since I run the biggest, baddest alien forum on the planet. I have never seen him do any alien tricks for instance.

I have never seen him/it prove that he is a First Contact specialist. Wouldn’t it have a military suit and some badges? So there is that.

@Namche you post eloquently but honestly there is little substance to chew on.

nivek

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Namche

October 24, 2018 at 4:29 am Reply

Seth: “A death is but one night to the soul. The vaster entity of which you are part follows your progress as easily as you follow your own through the days. As a rule most of you wake up in the same bed in the same house or town, but certainly you wake up as the same person in the same century. In those terms the entity wakes up as a different person each day, in a different century, each life seeming like a day in its level of experience. It carries the memory and simultaneous experience of each of those selves.

(A one-minute pause at 9:55.) Give us time . . .A form is basically nonphysical. What you see of form is only that part that can be effectively active or materialized within your system of reality. So the entity in its own way possesses what you can think of as future neuronal structures. Underline that whole last sentence. Within that vast form is your own, which is briefer, yet is not lost, not limited and not predetermined. You form your corner of the universe, which is itself a part of another one. Within this the actions and beliefs of one affect all.
(Slowly at 10:03:) Each part is vital, and in one way or another there is instant communication between the smallest and the largest, the cobweb and the spider, the man, the entity, and the star — and each spins its own web of probabilities from which other universes continually spring.”

http://www.vielewelten.at/pdf_en/jane%20roberts.pdf (page 268)

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J

January 5, 2019 at 9:58 am Reply

The traditional answer is that you never lose the personality. You have an Oversoul/Godself which is the sum total experience of all personalities you have ever lived. When you return as George, not only are you George but you are also Jennifer in perfect cooperative union with George. You will actually be able to access the Akashic Records and see/experience your past lives during your recuperation in purgatory. And even without the memories, you will still exhibit the characteristics of George. But generally speaking, the memories are out of bounds even in the Astral realms. They are too heavy to hold for a soul, until it is ready to unite with the Oversoul or the Causal Body.

At least, this is the original metaphysics. The gist is that the answer is already there for you, even without the time space conundrum. So go figure.

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M

February 14, 2019 at 10:58 pm Reply

I don’t have a problem with the various identities. One takes them on as an actor takes on any succession of roles. Seth has certainly saved my life, with its confusion of sexual complexities and the background threat of guilt and terror associated with the worst of Christian Hell nightmare paranoia. What a relief to find obvious and compelling wisdom. That said, the quality, texture and subtlety of understanding is what matters. Bach still says it better. Shakespeare still says it better Stay immersed in the human culture available. This is the incarnation of miracle..

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1. Jenn
  
  February 17, 2019 at 7:27 pm Reply
  
  Always glad to meet a fellow appreciator of the Seth Material. Thank goodness you escaped from that Christian drama so filled with hate and judgement. A reality like that could only be conceived of by man. Thanks for your comment M, all the best. -Jenn
  
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  1. M
    
    February 18, 2019 at 5:06 am Reply
    
    Thanks for the kind response…
    
    Actually, I was looking around for a way to delete the comment. “Incarnation of miracle” was fatuous. I was referring only to human communications about reality and the media employed for that purpose, including but not limited to literal language descriptions such as those kindly offered by Seth, which do obviously meet significant needs but are, as he acknowledges, not alone sufficient for the task. Perception of miracle beyond human efforts to describe, of course, goes on into infinity. Anyway, I’ll cease compounding the blah right now.
    
    All best,
    
    M
    
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James Guiry

February 17, 2019 at 4:27 pm Reply

Well written and thoughtful. As a Past Life Regressionist I found your article to be thought provoking and informative.

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1. Jenn
  
  February 17, 2019 at 7:15 pm Reply
  
  Thank you, James! I’m curious, if you happen to read this reply, as a Past Life Regressionist, what would you tell people who struggle with the idea that they have led different lives before and will lead different lives in the future? Do any of your clients struggle with this concept? Thanks for your comment! -Jenn
  
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M

February 18, 2019 at 5:37 am Reply

Oh, what the heck. May I blah one more time? George and Jennifer, whom you mention, are hardly very fixed. Their bodies alone are highly unstable wriggling wormlike trajectories tracked along just one possible spacetime contnuum, not to mention all the diffusion out of body dreaming and so forth. Their notions of who and what they are are not likely to be particularly stable throughout a single lifetime beyond the “I” itself, which is pretty shareable: I’m not sure George and Jennifer mind at all trading off being each other or even playing at being Georgifer and Jeenge.

Do you have any means of deleting if one regrets blathering on, by the way?

best regards,

M

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Deborah

February 23, 2019 at 5:34 pm Reply

Well thst certainly explains Seth books and my own experiences with past life and inbetween life regressions. I love Anita Moorjani and her explanation of a tapestry with individual threads is a beautiful analogy in her NDE. Thanyou. Much appreciated

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Hogweed Blitz

April 8, 2019 at 11:25 pm Reply

You missed a very valid point that I have seen in reading many NDE testimonials. When people are on the other side, yet they are asked if they want to stay or go back, they say that when they look at the life they just left, it has no meaning to them. Its like a movie they just watched, and it was only when they thought of their wife/kids that they realized they did not want them to suffer, so decided to go back.
That seems to be an on going theme. Your life here does not matter at all, its only what you learn and what you do that you take with you, not who you were here, since when you go back, you are the being you were before you came here, and not who you previously lived as. All previous lives are basically forgotten and discarded. You had a purpose here, and that is what is explored to see how well you managed it. But Jennifer and George were just like a costume you put on for a short play. Its how well you did, not who your characters were.

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  April 13, 2019 at 12:32 pm Reply
  
  Agreed, but here on Earth, at least for me, that’s a difficult thing for my ego to accept. Not that I’m arrogant, but dissolution of self is tough. And the only self I know now is the self of Jennifer. So that’s what i struggle with. Who will i be if I’m not me?
  
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  1. mantiki53
    
    April 14, 2019 at 4:12 am Reply
    
    Hi Jenn
    
    Just trying to think your last comment through and I think I would not possibly want to be the current personality I think of as “Me” for eternity. Probably only for as long as needed to be greeted by my immediate ancestors and to greet my immediate descendants.
    
    Other than that it may be that we explore what we need and or want in order to grow or rest. Maybe I go through a few easy lives and think I need to toughen up through poverty or disability. Or maybe I try to be spiritual for a couple of lives and decide I need to become a bastard next time to understand how those personalities are motivated (and possibly to work with others who want to learn how to deal with
    bastards).
    
    But isn’t the current understanding that we still have a CORE personality which seems to be stripped of its petty self beliefs and memories while building on its more eternal nature and ties with its soul “family” who also reincarnate regularly as parents, children, siblings, partners and close friends?
    
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    April 18, 2019 at 8:10 pm Reply
    
    I understand, that is what we are while we are here. I would never say disregard that. You are Jenn, so that is who you live your life as. You said that when George dies, he enters the spirit world as George. No, that is not right. He enters the spirit world as the being he was BEFORE he was either Jennifer or George (or anyone else for that matter). you would be in essence, both the experiences of Jenn & George, but not the individual characteristics of either. We can assume any shape we want, the images of who we see of others we knew only look like that because they want to ease your soul back to home. They can look like anyone (I assume anyone we lived as). But you do not carry anything of George (or even Jennifer) as far as “who they were” back with you, you basically look back at the past life, as you would if you were playing character in a video game. But you take with you your experiences. When you memories come back, you are who you have always been. I would love to continue doing many of the things I did here for all of eternity (I am a hobbyist, so i love working with many materials to create things), and when I hear people say you don’t want to live forever because it will be boring, I think “not for me!” But I think it is a great thing that we have only recently been able to start to understand who we really are and our purpose here. You should be excited and thrilled, don’t let these ideas of many lives constrain you, use them to your advantage.
    One other thing that I am troubled about. I have been reading (and listening) to a lot of people who are saying that this world, and our afterlife is really not all the wonderful love that it is. There is more and more information that the beings we see in the afterlife (the Guides and the Eldars, not the other “students” like most of us), are actually keeping us “trapped” in this cycle of reincarnation. The idea of having to come back here over and over when we see that most of this world is hardship and suffering (esp in the past, today it is better, but we are all still slaves to the wealthy). They call it the reincarnation trap, and I am starting to believe it, that the “light” of love and warmth, the tunnel or going into the light, is the trap. And the guides and eldars keep telling you that you have to come back here because of Karma. And your mind is basically temporarily wiped when you are born here (Although many people do remember things, esp children) .They say this is totally false, there is never any need to come back here, there is nothing a powerful being that we are needs to learn here. They think “they” are using us to feed on all the negative energy that is being produced here, and I see it everywhere. I have asked myself, why is our society getting more harder to live in, why so much social injustice and chaos, why is the world being polluted to the point of killing it?
    I just wanted to bring this to your attention, there are a lot of videos and information about this, particularly the Wes Penre papers. They say an electromagnetic field surrounds this planet which keeps our souls trapped, but with all the spiritual awaking that has been going on, it is weakening, and there are holes you can escape through, and seek the true source. I know it sounds really silly, but if you dig you just might see how much sense it really makes. I strongly urge you to look into this for your own sake, when I die I want to be very aware of this, and see if that is true by immediately moving away from Earth, and see if its there. Just in case! I do NOT want to come back here – I know there must be uncountable good planets to come back to, since I was a child I never understood this world, and the more I learned how our society worked, the more out of touch with it I felt. Since I was in College (over 20 yrs ago), I have been telling people money does not work, and I just see the world in a much different light (when I saw Peter Joseph’s “Zeitgeist” series & the Venus Project, I knew that was everything I had been thinking all along) . So I imagine I came here from a better place, I just know I need to get away from this world until humans learn to live together is some sort of happiness. I hope you take an interest and learn more.
    
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      April 18, 2019 at 9:06 pm Reply
      
      The idea that the Light and associated Love is a trap has occurred to me. Rather frightening to think we might be attracted to it like moths to their destruction in a flame etc. But rather more frightening to think that we could consign ourselves to eternal darkness by fleeing from the Light!
      
      As to the idea that we are duped into returning to suffer on Earth to provide negative energy to malevolent Elders, this seems unconvincing because such beings don’t advise us towards selfishness and violence, they always advise us to reduce suffering on Earth.
      
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    2. Amanda Gwynne Farrish
      
      January 15, 2024 at 1:20 am Reply
      
      This is what I’ve been reading about too – I belong to a group run by Julie McVey and Wayne Bush called Sovereign Spirits – on Youtube and Facebook. These pages are dedicated to creating awareness that this may indeed be a “prison” planet. I was an evangelical Christian for a long time but over the last 10 years, the faith paradigm collapsed and could no longer answer all the questions I have relating to our reality. Anyway, it would be great if you could join the group – I think your insights would be welcomed and appreciated there. Best, Amanda
      
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  3. Joe
    
    March 18, 2021 at 4:04 pm Reply
    
    Hi Jenn, recently ran across a book by Robert Skye, channeled by his wife Bronwen. The title is Conversations with spirits, the truth about life after death and reincarnation, their only work to this point. I cannot tell you how this book came to me, except to say, as I am sure you have heard, in so many words, it fell off the shelf in front of me. Chapter 4 on reincarnation is so rewarding and understandable, it just boggles my mind. From what I have seen on your site you may greatly benefit from it, as I believe you will resonate with it. It closely aligns with much of what Namche is writing about. Just a thought. Everybody believes what they believe, when they need to believe it.
    
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      August 4, 2021 at 5:54 pm Reply
      
      Sorry for the late reply..i think i may have that book but I’m not sure I read it yet. On your recommendation i will give it a go! Thank you!!
      
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DeadEternally

June 29, 2019 at 11:49 pm Reply

Isn’t your pyramid scheme still based on fear of dissolution of the ego? To avoid the the self-evident and bitter answer that we, the ego selves, don’t reincarnate or continue. What does reincarnate, if it dies, isn’t something we identify with anyway, so it is only fair to say reincarnation for us doesn’t exist. That’s why the early Christians removed references to this nonsensical concept from the Bible.

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Aritus

August 11, 2019 at 6:45 pm Reply

Thank you

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Anonymous

October 25, 2023 at 8:18 am Reply

It’s simple really. *You* don’t exist. Only *we* do. I know it’s kind of hard to wrap your head around because the illusion of ego is so convincing.. When you die, you return to a conscious state of “all,” eventually.. Everything shares the same spirit. Our spirit is experiencing itself in multiple dimensional frames at once, both on the spiritual and physical level. It’s quantum fkery, I know, but no one said “God” was simple. Lol.. We’re only different people here because that is how this dimension, or these dimensions of existence, are experienced.. It only seems that way though. “There’s no such thing as far away,” it’s all connected. Just because your current “human condition” says that the air and your skin aren’t made of the same stuff, doesn’t mean that on a microcosmic level, it isn’t.

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1. Anonymous
  
  October 25, 2023 at 3:00 pm Reply
  
  Ah, so there is only “god playing with himself”, no separation, no other party. How many times have I heard that explanation. It only looks good on the surface and only if you don’t examine it in depth. I would be even willing to accept an idea that god broke into billions of different people (animals and plants even), just to observe the world he created from different angles. I would even accept the fact that he is fkd up to the point of feeling content experiencing self-inflicted abuse and extreme injustice. But one thing is too much for me: all the lies and depetions, layers upon layers, from religions, through fake science to constant gaslighting aimed at those who start to see through the layers of BS. Well, unless “god” is completely retarded and decided to imprison himself in his own creation.
  
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