Sometimes You Don’t See The Light – The Void: A Place of Nothingness in the Afterlife

Despite the “love and light’ culture pervasive in new-age literature, one cannot ignore the darker side of near-death experiences and the afterlife experiences of spirits relayed through channeling and mediumship.  Recently, I pieced together information from a dozen different books containing out-of-body experiences, near-death experiences, life-between-life regression and spirit communications and wrote two out of three parts of “The Multidimensional Afterlife“, of which Part Two details the dark, depressing and hellish regions of the afterlife.  The interesting hypothesis that emerged from all of these disparate sources suggested that the afterlife is a flexible thought-based environment that responds to our state of mind, ensuring that all souls are automatically attracted to afterlife environments that suit them.  Dark souls filled with rage end up on the lower levels, surrounded by others of the same ilk until they begin to embrace love and forgiveness; their ticket upward into more beautiful climes.

Not included in the inventory of self-imposed hells that our own deeds can create for us, are descriptions of experiences in the enigmatic Void, a space of dark nothingness in which a soul is accompanied only by the quality of their character.   While the lower astral realms, with its dismal reality seems to be a semi-permanent residence for some spirits, the Void seems to be a temporary stop-over after death before the spirit is consigned to their corresponding afterlife dimension.

Rarely, some experience the Void as a healing space; a place of quiet contemplation where an exhausted soul can rest after a difficult and painful life.  On the other end of the spectrum, souls may experience the Void as an endless stretch of agony and torture.  The purpose of the Void seems to be a space that amplifies thought and emotion.  For spirits with unresolved negativity and a stubborn unwillingness to receive help, the Void forces spirits to confront and work through their anger and obsessive thoughts.  Spirits may see others in the Void, but their purpose there seems to illustrative rather than communicative.

Does the Void really exist?  Is the Void meant to punish, heal or instruct?  I’m not sure.  But the Void has shown up occasionally in different descriptions of the afterlife from the Victorian era to the present day, and may even correspond to the ‘outer darkness’ mentioned in the bible.  I feel its worth investigating.

Near-death experiencers have often encountered the Void and describe it in varying ways:

This is an excerpt of a near-death experience by Angie Fenimore after she committed suicide as a teenager:

“Where was I? I was immersed in darkness. My eyes seemed to adjust, and I could see clearly even though there was no light. The darkness continued in all directions and seemed to have no end, but it wasn’t just blackness, it was an endless void, an absence of light. It was completely enveloping. I swung my head around to explore the thick blackness and saw, to my right, standing shoulder to shoulder, a handful of others. They were all teenagers. “Oh, we must be the suicides.” […] Suddenly, as if we had been waiting for a kind of sorting process to take place, I was sucked further into the darkness by an unseen and undefined power, leaving the teenagers behind. I landed on the edge of a shadowy realm, suspended in the darkness, extending to the limits of my sight.  I knew that I was in a state of hell, but this was not the typical fire and brimstone hell that I had learned about as a young child. […] worse was my growing sense of complete aloneness. Even hearing the brunt of someone’s anger, however unpleasant, is a form of tangible connection. But in this empty world, where no connections could be made, the solitude was terrifying.”

By comparison, This near-death experiencer had a positive Void experience:

“I had traveled to another realm of total and absolute peace. With no physical body my movement was unencumbered. Thought was the avenue for travel. I floated up through blackness where there was no fear, no pain, no misunderstandings, but instead a sense of well-being. I was enveloped by total bliss in an atmosphere of unconditional love and acceptance. The darkness was warm and soft, a blanket of velvety love, stretching endlessly. The freedom of total peace was intensified beyond any ecstatic feeling I’ve ever felt on Earth. In the distance, a horizon of glorious white, golden light beckoned me forward”

Edgar Cayce, the famed psychic gives this description of the Void:

“After death, we may enter a region that is Void of love, life, and light, Void of everything. For some, this region is approximately their wish come true. Here they are truly alone with themselves. For some souls, this is a pain that is unbearable. In the absence of truth, love, gentleness, and kindness, some souls fill the Void with an irrational and unbelievable amount of pain and fear. It is so dark in the realm of outer darkness that the darkness hurts and panic grips them without knowing why. There are various degrees of darkness to this realm, and it is darker and denser at the center than at its outer fringes. The closer we are to the outer edges, the more interaction there is with others in the realm. The closer to the center, the darker and more painful is the solitude. Those who find themselves in outer darkness cannot travel across this dimension. They must grow through the levels of this realm. After death, one may find themselves in a particular degree of darkness that most closely corresponds to the degree of the absence of love in one’s life. Outer darkness is not a punishment. It is a region which operates lawfully for the benefit of those who are there. This region is not a realm which was created for any soul to experience, but one which came about as a consequence of the negative activity of souls in creation. So great has been the desire for self, so monumental across time and space has been the selfishness of some of God’s creatures, that this realm is the creation or manifestation of their own collective activities. Outer darkness and the reality with which it is associated were created and are held in place by collective self-interest.”

The most terrifying Void experience I read, however, came from the new book ‘Heaven and Hell: Updates from the World of Spirit’ by Dr. Stafford Betty.  Below is a summation and an excerpt, but I highly recommend picking up this book and reading the entire chapter yourself.

The story is related by a spirit named Marie and told through medium James Lees through his control Aphraar in the late 1800’s. Marie’s story appears in Chapter 10 of ‘Heaven and Hell’ called: “The Law of Karma: A Woman in Hell”

The story begins, as Marie tells it, with her upbringing and the deeds committed in her life that sealed her fate in the afterlife.  Not the so-called sins she committed, however, but the lack of understanding, love and remorse for her actions is what lands Marie in the torturous Void after death.

Marie is a young, rich, spoiled American young woman during the Victorian era.  Her wealthy parents dote on her, giving Marie all that she desires.  She soon learns to use her status and privilege to manipulate the people around her, especially the desires of young men.  She develops a rather shallow friendship with Sadie, another child of wealth and status, though Marie thinks of herself as superior to Sadie.  She and Sadie enjoy playing games with the young men of their town, stepping in to wreck relationships and break off engagements by shamelessly flirting with any available suitor.  When the now smitten young men vie for their attention, they are met with laughter and scorn as Marie and Sadie move on to their next victim.  The game is enjoyable not because they wish to have the attention of these men for themselves for they hardly entertain them, but only for the mean-spirited heartbreak of rival girls whose one chance at a decent match is now ruined.

Marie and Sadie agree that they should continue the game, neither girl taking on a husband for the time being in order to continue their ‘play’ as long as possible.  When Charlie, a very eligible young bachelor from a family of wealth and good standing comes to town, all of the unengaged girls vie for his attention.  Marie and Sadie decide also that they will play up their charms in order to deny the ambitions of any of the other girls in town.  Marie and Sadie agree to keep to their game, planning to gain the young man’s attention before shunning and humiliating him.

Marie and Sadie played off one another well, but the young man truly falls for Marie and makes her a formal proposal for marriage.  Marie tells us here that she was also quite secretly in love with the man, but for the sake of the mean game she was playing, she humiliated him for his offer.  Even as the man enlisted the aid of her parents, Marie refused to budge.  Marie was also quite sure that Charlie would continue to woo and fight for her, and thought that her game of ‘hard to get’ would “bring out the hero in Charlie”.

Days passed, however, and Charlie didn’t appear at Marie’s doorstep.  When she questions Sadie, she learns that Sadie hasn’t seen Charlie either.  Circumstances then prevent Marie from seeing Sadie for a month until the day of her birthday party.  When Marie arrives, she finds that Charlie had proposed to Sadie, and Sadie accepted.  The two are now engaged to be married.

“I stood speechless as a statue.  In a moment my blood boiled and dashed through my veins in cataracts of maddened fury.  Jealousy and disappointed love devoured me; my brain reeled under the strain; I fell and remember no more.”

In Marie’s zeal for mean-hearted manipulation of others and her absolute certainty that anything she wanted would be hers, she never thought she would lose Charlie, and especially not to her so-called friend Sadie.  Sadie, of course, wizened up and accepted Charlie’s proposal when it was offered, but for Marie, the betrayal and jealousy filled her with an unreasonable hatred.

On the day of Sadie and Charlie’s wedding, Marie was hovering near death with a condition she calls “brain fever”.  During her fever, she continually curses Sadie and Charlie.  Marie survives her bout, and vows to never speak of them again.  In her heart, however, was the white-hot desire for revenge.  Sadie and Charlie had left town though, and Marie’s first task was to track them down.

“I would find them if I had to travel the world; I would return her betrayal fourfold and take him for her even if I died in the hour of my triumph.”

It would be years before Marie would find a link to Charlie, through an old college friend living nearby.  She makes plans to visit and accidentally runs in Charlie.  It wasn’t part of her initial plan, but better – she is alone with Charlie for the first time in years.  She realizes that Charlie still has affection for her, and she plays it up.  They begin to meet secretly in places and although she felt that she loved him, her real thrill was stealing Charlie away from Sadie.  Within a month, Charlie abandons Sadie and their children and travels east with Marie.  Marie knows she can’t be his wife, but that means little to her.  She’s won, and is reveling in her victory.  Marie’s revenge is complete.

Soon after, Marie again falls ill.  She is ill for two years before her father finally tracks her down and reproached for the shame she has brought on the family name.  Charlie is chased away by Marie’s father as a scoundrel and is threatened with his life should he return to see Marie.  Marie’s father tells her that Charlie has abandoned her as he did with Sadie, and Marie – in a fit of fury – dies from her illness.

Marie, having died without remorse for her actions and little understanding at the cruelty she displayed toward others has already created the afterlife that she is soon to experience.  In her retelling of the story, she laments of what she has done, admonishing others to avoid her torment by doing good works in their life.  Even Marie will agree that what she experiences in the Void was necessary in order to see the folly of her ways and come back to the light.  The Void teaches Marie by confronting her with her own obsessions, cruelty, jealousy and hate.  It is a lesson that hopefully most of us will not require, but Marie was particularly stubborn.

Meanwhile, Marie has perished but doesn’t know it yet.  The last thing she remembers is lying in her bed, dying with her father admonishing her about Charlie.  The next memory is blank, then she awakens in total blackness:

“When I awoke it was dark, horribly dark.  I could almost touch the blackness, and I was lying on a bare floor, cold as a block of ice.  I called Charlie – my father – my nurse!  But there was no response except the echo of my own voice, which seemed to mock and rejoice at the terror I felt creeping over me.  Where was I?  Great God! Was it possible I had gone mad, or that I had been placed under restraint to keep me from following Charlie?”

Marie is alone with her own thoughts in the darkness.  She tries to move, to explore this new place of sheer black nothingness, but cannot.  She has no strength.  She simply can do nothing but lie there.

“I was a prisoner in the frigid domain of despair, beyond the reach of help, or rest, or pity; the playful toy of all the remorseless machinations that accompany such a state.  I was slowly converted into a block of frozen – yet living – flesh, and my abnormal sense of feeling heightened as the infernal transformation went on.  Why was it? Where was it? Where was I? Who were my relentless persecutors? How long before the morning would break? Would the day bring me relief, or wake me from the agonizing dream? […] Eventually my feet, my hands, my head, my eyes, my tongue, my heart, my brain were ice-bound.  Then the furies boiled in my blood and sent it in maddened cataracts through my veins to top off the excruciating pain, which I could only suffer while lying motionless.”

Marie remains in this state, clueless to her own death for a very long time, ruminating on her misfortune, pining for Charlie and feeling persecuted.  She eventually is able move and recovers some strength, but she remains in the inky blackness, alone with only her hateful thoughts.

Finally she sees something- a light, just a small pinpoint of light in the darkness.  Marie moves toward it, flying at increasing speed and yet dreading what new persecution it might bring.  Just on the precipice of the light, she stops.  The light surrounds the one person she “had sighed, wept and groaned for.”  It was Charlie.

Marie has a feeling that her ability to be with Charlie has something to do with his desire to see her, though she still doesn’t yet know that she is dead.  She is overjoyed that she is reunited with Charlie even after all of “her father’s opposition and strategy”.

She walks into the circle of light and notices that Charlie has changed.  His hair now is lined with silver, his strong back bowed and bent slightly.  Marie stands next to Charlie and feels him thinking of her.  Lost in thought, he doesn’t see her standing there.  Of course Marie is a ghost, invisible to his eyes, but she is none the wiser.

Marie tries to shake him; to get his attention any way possible.  She thinks Charlie has gone mad because she is standing right in front of him, and yet he is looking past her. She yells at him, “Charlie, Charlie!  Don’t you know me? Speak only one word, and tell me so.  I’ve been ill, but I’ve never swerved in my love for you.  If you think I’ve done wrong, oh! my love, forgive me, and let me nurse you back again to health.  We will be happy yet.  Come, let’s go away.  Say you know me and I’ll be content.  Charlie! Just one word, dear; say you know me!”

Charlie, of course, doesn’t see or hear her.  He picks up a book, seemingly ignoring her entreaties.  “Marie recoils in amazement, dumb-founded.”  She doesn’t understand why Charlie, her love, would treat her this way.  Why wouldn’t he speak to her?

Marie, not knowing what else to do, simply stands in front of Charlie and continues to watch.  Finally, he turns to someone and says “Will you tell your mamma I want to speak to her?”.  Marie can’t see the child – Charlie’s child; she’s only focused on Charlie and the prospect of another woman.

“What was any other woman to him when I was present? Was is possible he had gone back to Sadie after all and wished her to be at hand to witness my humiliation?  All my old jealousy was around at the thought, and a sudden frenzy carried me past all restraint in anticipation of the coming scene.  I felt a stranger enter but couldn’t see or hear who it was, a fact adding to the mystery and terror that possessed me.  Was I equally invisible and inaudible to her?  It seemed so, for a while I heard every word Charlie spoke, and saw every movement he made, and could understand that the conversation made no reference to myself, I was ignored as completely as if I had no existence.”

Marie hears Charlie call this new woman, “Wife” and begins to suspect that Charlie and his new lover were playing a game at her expense, intentionally mocking her by pretending that she didn’t exist.  Marie believes that Charlie knows that she is there and is choosing to ignore her, something that drives Marie to exquisite anger and jealousy.

Just when it couldn’t get much worse for Marie, a ghost standing invisible in the same room with Charlie and his new wife, Charlie and his wife decide to become intimate.

“He had brought me here so I might witness his happiness with a rival who had supplanted me, as I had taken him from Sadie – that he might laugh as he saw how the knowledge of it would torture me.  This was too much.  The certainty of his desertion maddened me; but to witness his love passages with a rival goaded me into a diabolical frenzy, and I made up my mind to kill him before her eyes.  Alas! Before I had time to move, the light that surrounded him expired, and I was left again in that Egyptian blackness, afraid to stir because of the terror that came along with my blindness.”

There is worse to come for Marie, for even in the Void, she is left to listen to their love-making.

“Still I could hear him – worse, I could hear her; heard, without the power to stop my ears, or prevent my knowledge of what she said and called him.  Rage and jealousy tormented and mocked my helplessness, until I prepared to follow the sounds and wreak my vengeance by laying them dead side by side! Horror! As soon as I made up my mind to kill them, I found I was as powerless to move as to see, and I had no choice but to stand and listen to his monstrous behavior, unable to make a sound to drown out the echoes of his caresses.”

Marie continues with fiery language to describe her torment in the Void.  She realizes that she is somehow chained to Charlie and made to endure what she calls “indescribable chastisement, with every nerve quickened to a degree defying description.”

Forced to deal with her own obsession of possessing Charlie and faced with the hatred and jealousy she feels, Marie is truly in a hell of her own making.  She cannot sleep, she cannot leave, she cannot find mercy or pity in the Void.  She can only be; alone with her thoughts and emotions.  As she says, “I was in all the agonies of hell without the poor consolation that I was suffering in company.”

Finally, in utter exasperation, she cries out to the darkness:

“Oh, God or devil! Any being of pity or remorseless cruelty, hear me, and end my torments! Take me, tear me, or destroy me.  Drown my reason past all hope of restitution or, by one tornadic blast of torture, put an end to feeling and terminate my agony.  Hell!  Hell! In mercy take pity on my condition; open your gates and let me bathe my sufferings in your fiery lake.  Hell! Hell! I say in mercy open and let me in!”

With that, Marie collapses.  With her final plea of mercy, she frees herself from the Void and wakes in the company of her spirit guide, who begins Marie’s process of spiritual healing.

Marie was a despicable person to be sure.  She felt no remorse that Charlie abandoned his wife and children for her, and spent her life in cruel manipulation of others.  Even in death, Marie could only focus on Charlie and the wrong-doing and betrayal she felt.  Because she was so hyper-focused on Charlie, she was able to temporarily descend back to earth when he thought of her, and yet she did not understand her own condition.  She thought Charlie was trying to humiliate her, and she planned to kill him and his new bride.  Marie spent 20 earth years in the Void.  When she saw Charlie, he was much older and remarried, though to Marie who did not know of her own death, it had been as if no time had passed, so complete was her obsession.

Marie’s 20 years in the Void was self-imposed; a prisoner of her own negativity.  It is only when she calls for help that she is open to the loving spirit guide, Azena, who has been with her the entire time, trying to break her laser-like obsession with Charlie and relieve her from the trap that her hate and jealousy have kept her in.  Marie could not before see Azena for she was not open to love, charity or understanding at that point.

Marie is finally free of the Void, and is healing with her spirit guide.  Part of her process of healing is to relate her story as a warning to others, now that she understands the error of her ways.  Marie’s story is dramatic and terrifying, but every telling of it helps Marie’s soul through its warning to others.  I encourage you to read it in its entirety.

If the void truly does exist in the afterlife, then its purpose is to hold a mirror up to those who refused to judge their own evil behaviors while on Earth.  Even though Marie, through her status and wealth escaped punishment and chastisement in her earthly life for the cruelty and evil she doled out to others, she certainly did not escape the result of these deeds in the Void.  The “affluenza defense” doesn’t work in the afterlife.  Marie was selfish and self-centered, obsessed with Charlie beyond all reasoning and bent on revenge until she died.  Marie’s spirit was a vengeful revenant who, when all of the bodily and material embellishments were stripped away, had only her hollow character to embody her.  Marie’s story reflects the purpose of the Void; to amplify one’s thoughts and emotions without distraction.  When used against her, Marie’s thoughts and emotions became a hell for her, one that she endured until her hate was exhausted and she was ready to receive help.

Marie’s story was told in the 1800’s, but the Void continues to be mentioned in near-death experiences and spiritual descriptions of the afterlife even today.  If there is any lesson to be learned from negative experiences in the Void it is this: Tomorrow, when you wake up to another day on earth, be sure to look in the mirror – gaze deep into the character of your soul.  Whatever lies within you lives also in the Void.  Would you appreciate the company that you keep there?

“And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” – Matthew 25:30

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10 thoughts on “Sometimes You Don’t See The Light – The Void: A Place of Nothingness in the Afterlife

  1. Very interesting. Of course there are traces of this concept in many cultures and religions. “yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death” and so on. The Egyptians even had a guide book/manual for finding their way through this – The Book of the Dead. The established religions grade the after immediate death experience according to moral behavior, though “sin” is often a matter of social rather than ethical value. These accounts seem to indicate that its more a matter of the psychological condition, which makes more sense. Sally.

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    1. I believe i had a NDE void experience when i was young. 7 years old i suffered a seizure from lack of oxygen, i was described as pale with lips and fingertips blue. I was in blackness yet it was not horrifying at all for me if i had to describe the feeling during my brief time there i’d say it was calm, and was oddly intrigued by it yet i didn’t know it was the void until a few years later when i told my grandma. When i got back to my body i was calm and at peace and happy to see my mother. I’d guess i was just not old enough to see much in the void i’d also say time doesn’t really exist in this realm, I grew up in a family bloodline of psychics and in my family psychic abilities awakened at the start of puberty so 12 or 13 years of age. When i was 13 before my initiation as a full wiccan my gut said to convert to christianity to explore it. I did and realized something was dreadfully wrong about modern christianity, by my later high school years i associated with no one religion but couldn’t find a faith that had mixed beliefs like me or my grandma. That was before i met my uncle adam a New Age Spiritualist. I joined new age spirituality and stuck with it i thought to myself that this is my faith. To explore ones self and try to understand others. Since then i ceased to hate people themselves but rather the things about them. Such as bigotry, and ignorance of any form. ignorance leads to fear and fear leads to hate, i have yet to understand about why some people think racism or such is a good thing. Maybe its the concept of good or evil i should be exploring? I watched naruto and the words of Itachi Uchiha got to me.

      “People Live their Lives bound by what they accept as correct and true. That is how they define “Reality” . But what does it mean to be “correct” or “true”? They are merely vague concepts… Their “Reality” may all be a mirage. Can we consider them to be simply living in their own world, shaped by their beliefs?”

      “It is foolish to fear what we have yet to see and know.”

      “Knowledge and awareness are vague, and perhaps better called illusions.”

      “You Focus on the Trivial, and lose sight of what is most important, Change is impossible in this fog of ignorance. How can we Evolve when Regulation is all we know?”

      “We do not know what kind of people we truly are until the moment before our deaths. As death comes to embrace you, you will realize what you are. That’s what death is, don’t you think?”

      “If you want to know who you are, you have to look at your real self and acknowledge what you see”

      “Obsessed with Organization, obsessed with the clan, obsessed with ourselves. A worthless compulsion that enslaves us and limits our capabilities, leading us to fear what we don’t understand.”

      “Those who forgive themselves, and are able to accept their true nature…THEY ARE THE STRONG ONES!”

      -Itachi Uchiha, Naruto Shippuden Franchise

      Based on those quotes i began to think, “How must i go about this world of illusions? Is suffering real or just another illusion? Could this world just be lies? If So should i help this world become truth and set others free from the illusion of suffering? If so then how?” After i had those thoughts i asked myself what are root problems and how to set others free, my only conclusion as of far is to reject regulation and base my life on willpower and hope others can understand me and themselves to follow suit. I want to make everyone happy yet i know i probably can’t so i decided i won’t know unless i try. If i can’t get the whole world i’ll start here in my city then work up to the state, I ask others their beliefs and compare the beliefs to others and find the underlying connections because as long as those connections are made the beliefs that culminate from it don’t matter because they are both for a same purpose. I often found myself merging scientific theories with religious texts and fitting more and more together like a puzzle the universe’s secrets becoming clear, why our brains are modeled off the cosmic web, why matter exists what is energy and matter? what is dark matter and dark energy?

      then i found it… Bodies don’t have souls, souls have bodies, matter is just super-condensed light. God is the light and we are created in his image. What makes us physically function? our brains! what are our bodies made of? Matter! Energy and matter can neither be created nor destroyed only converted. this supports an idea of the afterlife i can go further into this but i think this post is long enough so i’m sorry. Also on another note i found out i’m an Indigo Child, i have found a few others and they all have the same traits, Autism, and Psychic abilities. I’ve read indigo children are the next stage in human evolution and are meant to help guide humanity to a new age of prosperity in the 7th age of aquarius after the next poleshift. I’ve also read about scientific theories stating those with autism are the next stage in the evolution of human consciousness, the way we think rejects current society, so that ends us up classified as outcasts by some but recently society has been opening up to us asking us how we think or feel so as to make the world more accomodating for us. This world is a beautiful place yet is cursed by ignorance and hatred, but that curse is slowly lifting in some ways.

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      1. Hi Shea! Thank you for your comment and for sharing your NDE void experience. It can be very difficult to understand why we living in such a harsh and cruel world, but I have realized that we are all on our own paths. Some people just have more to learn and in that process of learning, they make mistakes. I try to be gentle with people, knowing that all souls are inherently good; just sometimes people get too stuck on the illusion of earth life and take everything too seriously. Based on your comment, I think you would probably really like the Seth channelings by Jane Roberts, if you haven’t already read them. When I was searching for spiritual understanding, Seth really changed my life. It just made everything ‘click’. I would recommend the first book, “Seth Speaks: The Eternal Validity of the Soul.” take care and hope to see you around!
        ~Jenn

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  2. I believe i had a NDE void experience when i was young. 7 years old i suffered a seizure from lack of oxygen, i was described as pale with lips and fingertips blue. I was in blackness yet it was not horrifying at all for me if i had to describe the feeling during my brief time there i’d say it was calm, and was oddly intrigued by it yet i didn’t know it was the void until a few years later when i told my grandma. When i got back to my body i was calm and at peace and happy to see my mother. I’d guess i was just not old enough to see much in the void i’d also say time doesn’t really exist in this realm, I grew up in a family bloodline of psychics and in my family psychic abilities awakened at the start of puberty so 12 or 13 years of age. When i was 13 before my initiation as a full wiccan my gut said to convert to christianity to explore it. I did and realized something was dreadfully wrong about modern christianity, by my later high school years i associated with no one religion but couldn’t find a faith that had mixed beliefs like me or my grandma. That was before i met my uncle adam a New Age Spiritualist. I joined new age spirituality and stuck with it i thought to myself that this is my faith. To explore ones self and try to understand others. Since then i ceased to hate people themselves but rather the things about them. Such as bigotry, and ignorance of any form. ignorance leads to fear and fear leads to hate, i have yet to understand about why some people think racism or such is a good thing. Maybe its the concept of good or evil i should be exploring? I watched naruto and the words of Itachi Uchiha got to me.

    “People Live their Lives bound by what they accept as correct and true. That is how they define “Reality” . But what does it mean to be “correct” or “true”? They are merely vague concepts… Their “Reality” may all be a mirage. Can we consider them to be simply living in their own world, shaped by their beliefs?”

    “It is foolish to fear what we have yet to see and know.”

    “Knowledge and awareness are vague, and perhaps better called illusions.”

    “You Focus on the Trivial, and lose sight of what is most important, Change is impossible in this fog of ignorance. How can we Evolve when Regulation is all we know?”

    “We do not know what kind of people we truly are until the moment before our deaths. As death comes to embrace you, you will realize what you are. That’s what death is, don’t you think?”

    “If you want to know who you are, you have to look at your real self and acknowledge what you see”

    “Obsessed with Organization, obsessed with the clan, obsessed with ourselves. A worthless compulsion that enslaves us and limits our capabilities, leading us to fear what we don’t understand.”

    “Those who forgive themselves, and are able to accept their true nature…THEY ARE THE STRONG ONES!”

    -Itachi Uchiha, Naruto Shippuden Franchise

    Based on those quotes i began to think, “How must i go about this world of illusions? Is suffering real or just another illusion? Could this world just be lies? If So should i help this world become truth and set others free from the illusion of suffering? If so then how?” After i had those thoughts i asked myself what are root problems and how to set others free, my only conclusion as of far is to reject regulation and base my life on willpower and hope others can understand me and themselves to follow suit. I want to make everyone happy yet i know i probably can’t so i decided i won’t know unless i try. If i can’t get the whole world i’ll start here in my city then work up to the state, I ask others their beliefs and compare the beliefs to others and find the underlying connections because as long as those connections are made the beliefs that culminate from it don’t matter because they are both for a same purpose. I often found myself merging scientific theories with religious texts and fitting more and more together like a puzzle the universe’s secrets becoming clear, why our brains are modeled off the cosmic web, why matter exists what is energy and matter? what is dark matter and dark energy?

    then i found it… Bodies don’t have souls, souls have bodies, matter is just super-condensed light. God is the light and we are created in his image. What makes us physically function? our brains! what are our bodies made of? Matter! Energy and matter can neither be created nor destroyed only converted. this supports an idea of the afterlife i can go further into this but i think this post is long enough so i’m sorry. Also on another note i found out i’m an Indigo Child, i have found a few others and they all have the same traits, Autism, and Psychic abilities. I’ve read indigo children are the next stage in human evolution and are meant to help guide humanity to a new age of prosperity in the 7th age of aquarius after the next poleshift. I’ve also read about scientific theories stating those with autism are the next stage in the evolution of human consciousness, the way we think rejects current society, so that ends us up classified as outcasts by some but recently society has been opening up to us asking us how we think or feel so as to make the world more accomodating for us. This world is a beautiful place yet is cursed by ignorance and hatred, but that curse is slowly lifting in some ways.

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  3. AS a young child when going to sleep at night i would try to imagine what it was like to be dead and would just find myself in darkness, my eyes closed in a dark room, and would think it would be forever like that. That was frightening and would happen many nights. I slept poorly as a child for years. That was part of starting my life on my left foot.
    But my question is, various mostly eastern spiritual schools, but not only, claim that a separate personality doesn’t exist, unless one has evolved or created a soul, and that all these NDE stories are an attempt of ego to maintain it’s separate self existence. And the idea is to enter the light and merge not hold on and return in another reincarnation. A reincarnation of not that being that lived but of the life energy in another form. The source for this would be the Tibetan book of the Dead, the American book of the Dead, EJ Gold, And Gurdjieff’s teachings that unless you create a soul or unique autonomous entity in a subtle body, thru the various efforts in life, there will be no reincarnating individual self.
    Now the mass of reading i’ve done indicates otherwise. there is a personality of some sort that continues. If there is such as reincarnation i do not want to know my past life, this one has enough luggage already.
    When much younger, 21, i had a drug experience where i “died”. Saw that there was no such thing as death and was ecstatic. then i could sense the difficult life that awaited me and thought about taking my life. then during a reverie i started to leave the earth and was in the high stratosphere leaving when i heard this wail of anguish coming from the earth and realized the i was of this and could not turn away and leave it. That i we do not have the choice to not continue living. I was depressed for some time after that, and much of my life, but for more complex reasons. This was before i’d learned of Buddhism and the Bodisatva vow.
    Anyway have you heard anything of the void as a final resting place in the positive sense?
    Don Juan of Carlos Castaneda fame said that Joy is the greatest accomplishment of a warrior. I believe it.
    I remind myself daily of Anne Franks words “Whoever is happy will make others happy.”
    This blog is like a natural resource. Thanks

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  4. This is a great site, with lots of useful info properly researched and presented that make sense; but still, I don’t know… I mean, a couple of things don’t quite cut it for me. For starters, ‘heaven’ or ‘hell’ being an up to you state; because it that’s the case, then what if I’m like one of those mobsters that has a happily life besides including the obv occasional hit… Or a sociopath incapable of remorse or empathy altogether; or a judge, vigilante or executioner performing ‘social justice’, etc… I really like the thought of a personal standard virtual purgatory kind of deal, except that it doesn’t feel quite fair; at least to the wronged side. Yet anyhow, the other thing I wonder, which in my opinion is even worse, has to do with the ability to lit manifesting reality. Say, what if i recreate from memory the long gone on earth house I grew up in, doesn’t that obv conflicts any suspension of after-life disbelief… And what if I attempt to do the same with a pet or a person… I seriously doubt that their ‘real’ souls would somehow magically start to inhabit their new afterlife vessels; just because. Again, don’t get me wrong, it seems like a sweet deal in any case; but in the bitter end, it’s nothing more than a glorified fantasy. So if this description of the a.l. is accurate, then it would mean that is what’s actually preventing soul progression; making it more like stagnation to me. Assuming the development of an innate ability to want more out it, or just growing tired of it, seems conspicuously convenient, and not necessary causal. And if people are being truly helped, loved and accepted from beyond, then how come they feel a lot of the time so sad, hopeless, unbearable lonely, depressed, losers, failures, and even borderline suicidal… Just thinking about the void, and the afterlife in general, gives me vivid nightmares; lit&fig. If gawd and the angels/demons/spirit-guides don’t talk back to you, or help in any way shape or form, then isn’t that precisely confirmation of the latter… ie, distant spiritual beings that are only relevant after death and do not come to your terrestrial aide in your hour of most need are pretty useless guides IMHO. So in this uncertainly accursed lower energetic plane of existence, how’s that truly different of imagining it all, and getting high on your own delusions to begin with… Therefore, the whole sin, guilt, and forgiveness vicious cycle seems deliberately designed to create an addiction that’s nearly impossible to break on our own. So bottomline, the AL to me is just a progressive series of purgatories, or soul traps to leech off our spiritual energy. An overly convoluted way to sup&basically shred negativity and learn how to love; ie punish bad behaviours, and reward positive ones. Integration as an alternate solution, seldom considered. Although I’ve to admit I’m more afraid that there’s no al at all, with death being the abs end; so I guess something is better than nothing. Yet the problem remains, at least on earthlike realms, in that it remains almost pointless trying to be good, when the rest of the world means you harm. I understand the need to strive for greatness as a motivator, but you’ve got to admit that this is a ridiculous hard virtual game setting from the start. Where everything costs an arm and a leg. Again, here the problem is not that the majority of ppl are evil, and revel in it; it is that we live in a fixed material environment. Because sadly, there’s no escape; no salvation. No easy way to TP out of here on a whim’s thought, like on the rest of the higher al’s spaces…

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    1. The void is not a place where you are necessarily alone; in the example of the story with Marie that I shared, there was a guide with her for the entire time she was in the void. Marie just couldn’t give up her obsession with revenge enough to know that her guide was there, desperately trying to get through to her. The void seems to be self-imposed by us if we just cannot get through something psychologically negative. Until we’ve exausted our anger and hate, we will be stuck. Now, it’s important to note that while the void does come up in NDEs from time to time, it’s rare. Most of us will not have a void experience at all. As for the way ‘hell’ works, think of the afterlife like layers of density. Unlike on earth, where people of all kinds are thrown together in one big mix, the afterlife naturally separates spirits according to their temperament. If you are mobster who loves to kill, then you are more than welcome to remain in a hellish place with other killers employing your craft for all eternity. You will only be with other people like you, though. Likewise, truly enlightened, kind, compassionate people inhabit a different layer together, working for a common cause as well. In the afterlife, like attracts like. If you are an angry, miserable person, you will find yourself in a place inhabited by angry, miserable people. The vast majority of us – who are not wholly good or wholly evil will find ourselves in the gigantic middle layers, where everything, by design, will seem rather earthlike and ordinary. The reason for this is because we don’t expect differently and we haven’t evolved past the need for certain earth comforts. Would you be more comfortable existing as consciousness without three-dimensional form around you? One day, perhaps, but I’m not ready for that yet. I wouldn’t mind getting to the afterlife and having a ski chalet to live in while I work on my spiritual progress. The afterlife seems to be a thought-based reality, and most of us who get there desire to have around us the things that we know – it is an unfortunate outgrowth of the materialism we are used to on earth. Once we evolve past that, we will no longer need the illusion of these ‘creature comforts’.
      Jenn

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  5. Jenn,
    I want to again express my appreciation for the work you are doing.
    I appreciate your excellent reading list also. I’d like to make some suggestions for additions.
    Besides Robert Monroe’s second and third books which I’ve already mentioned I’d like to recommend, Life Before Life, by Helen-Wambach
    Her mass hypnosis regression project where hundreds of subjects were brought through the birth event and to what was happening before birth. I think the most common item encountered was many peoples reluctance to return.

    I read Michael Newton’s Journey and Destiny of souls books and had reservations about his results. Though again, if they are authentic and no reason to think otherwise, they were a little troubling for me. The after life was too neat in a way.
    Another person who has a notable experience in another realm during an NDE, I believe was Judith White. She has some remarkable talents after her NDE.
    http://www.talkzone.com/episodes/204/NDE061614.html
    http://www.talkzone.com/episodes/204/NDE062314.html

    Natalie Sudman experience were unlike any other NDE event and further substantiate a more complex view of the after life. She was likely an OBE but that doesn’t change her unique story. Maybe similar experiences are noted in other forms of communication.

    The question I have is, none of this seems to agree with The Tibetan Book of The Dead, an explanation or presentation of what happens after death, or graduation as I like to call it.
    From that source it recommends recognizing the Light as ones self-nature and by doing so one merges into it and does not have another reincarnation. And there seem to be further choice points, if one misses the first one, to merge again or at least have a better incarnation, by not shunning the brighter light colors and entering into the softer smokier lights.
    The ideal seems to be recognizing ones current identity as unreal and so merging with the clear light.

    With that said, the Tibetan’s have Lokas or worlds, of which the best is incarnation in is the earth world, from here further evolution is possible, but not at all or more difficult from any other world. Better even than the god, or heaven realm, where eventually your orbit decays and reincarnation obtains.

    Personally this, merging with the light, seems like a good idea as I’d rather not return here if avoidable.
    Dannion Brinkley states recognizing the light as himself during his second NDE experience.

    Robert Monroe says the same thing in his third book as his experience and knowledge grows, further confirms that his individuality here was but something like a finger of a larger entity. Same is implied in Esoteric Judaism

    Vedanta says there is an immortal soul, at least for the duration of these 4 cycles. The Buddhist say that there is not a permanent individual self reincarnating rather the life energy returning picks up ‘habits’, or skandas material form, or the physical world (rūpa), feeling or sensations (vedanā), perception (saññā), mental formations (saṅkhāra), and consciousness (viññāṇa)
    This disagreement has ben going on for a long time. The Dali lama says to ignore it. Just be compassionate to one another.

    And there is a third model coming from G I Gurdjieff, 4th way adherents.
    This one says that everyone is born the ‘seed’ for a soul, but as with trees this does not necessarily mean that it will ‘sprout’ and become a ‘real’ soul or an autonomous being able to continue elsewhere after death. A soul is created through living a conscious life, which I’ll translate as facing life’s challenges, as a choice accepted, and so responsibly, which would deepen ones soul. (Certainly facing the challenges of life builds character.) Perhaps like Socrates, an unconscious reactive life, is a life unlived. Socrates’ claimed that the unexamined life is not worth living makes a satisfying climax for the deeply principled arguments that Socrates presents on behalf of the philosophical life. The claim is that only in striving to come to know ourselves and to understand ourselves do our lives have any meaning or value.

    Of further note. From your quote of Seth on the reason for creation the word ‘clamored’ is used, ‘They clamored to be released into actuality’. An ND experiencer, Kimberly Sharp Clark, uses the word ‘clamored’ in the Lights answer to why we exist.

    The clearest metaphor for how we are here comes from this NDE’er Rich Kelly

    An amazing SF novel is Star Maker, by Olaf Stapleton, too much to describe.

    Again my thanks for your work.
    Karl
    PS. I have, and so have others I’ve read or herd, do hear a voice in times of extremity. Helpful words like, “everything will be alright in the end”.

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  6. Makes sense.

    Marie’s negative emotions (or negative vibrations in terms of the Soul), engulfed her and sent her soul to the “void” which I can only guess for it to be a place of “Low frequency.”

    It doesn’t matter if she “deserved it or not, you create an “aura of low-ness” where else would it be attracted to but a place that Made of it?

    Just an opinion though

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