Think You Understand Reincarnation? Think Again.

I apologize for the provocative title, but reincarnation is a subject that many in the spiritual and new-age community feel is too obvious to bother with.  The mechanics seem rather simple. You live one lifetime, die, go to the spirit world, hang around a bit, then choose another lifetime that will challenge you in new ways.  Usually, that’s where our thinking on the matter ends. But think a little deeper and serious ego and identity issues start to arise. After a thought experiment, running the reincarnational cycle through a few lives and combining what I’ve researched about the afterlife, I hit a roadblock in my understanding.  Where I had previously felt secure about the logistics of reincarnation, doubts now filled my mind. I needed to resolve this reincarnational mechanics problem  before it threatened to turn into a full-blown spiritual crisis.

Before we get into the subject matter, a little disclaimer is in order.  This post is going to deal with some very difficult concepts.  Therefore I’m going to abandon my usual style of writing, which is term-paper-ish and just try to explain this in the way I really speak – casually and from my own perspective.  I’ve hesitated to write this post for a while because I’m sure I don’t fully understand it myself, but I’m hoping that instead of attempting to be instructive, this can be a collaborative experience for all of us. If you manage to read to the bottom of this rambling, brain-melting topic, feel free to give me your perspective and opinions – I always welcome them.

Until my little thought experiment, I also bothered little with probing the mechanics of reincarnation.  Like most people, I assumed the process was pretty straight-forward.  But let’s do this thought experiment together, and you’ll see what I mean.

Jennifer and George

Currently, I’m living this lifetime as Jennifer.  I have Jennifer’s personality, memories, experiences, knowledge and collection of loved ones.  When I eventually die, I expect to rise up out of my body and go into the light, where I will be reunited with my cats, friends and family (yes, cats first). I expect to still be Jennifer, with my personality and memories in-tact.  I am very attached to myself, you see.  I don’t want to lose who “I” am, and I’m sure neither do you.

So, I’m in the spirit world and I’m learning and healing and reconnecting.  My consciousness is expanding and perhaps I’m even advanced enough to be able to look at one or two of my past lives to see who else I’ve been.  Keyword, “who I’ve been”. The perspective is ego-centric, I expect that “I” was those people, not “they” will have been “me”.  Just a little foreshadowing there.

After some time, I decide I’d like to reincarnate back on Earth and have another go at things.  According to spiritual literature, the process starts with meeting with your guides and people in your spirit group, usually your friends and family from the lifetime you’ve just left. We decide that we are going to incarnate as a middle-class family who lives in the UK.  My grandmother is already on earth, and is ready to start a family with her husband so I decide I’m going to be born as one of their children, George.  Other people from my last lifetime will fill various other roles in the same earth family in accordance with their own spiritual agreements  when they decide to incarnate.

This would not be an unusual story in any spiritual book.  Classic spiritual literature such as Dr. Newton’s Journey of Souls or Many Lives, Many Masters by Dr. Brian Weiss both describes reincarnation this way.  It seems spiritually sound and on the surface, rather practical.

But here’s where the trouble begins.  Let’s fast-forward through George’s lifetime.  As an adult, George is not aware that he was once Jennifer, he’s just going about his life.  One day, George decides to participate in past-life regression therapy and finds out that he was once Jennifer who lived in America.  He finds it fascinating that he was once this person, but it doesn’t have any consequence for his life.  He’s not Jennifer anymore, that’s his past.  He’s George.

So George grows old and eventually transitions back into the spirit world.  He has a beautiful reunion with his parents and the friends he lost.  It’s a joyous time.  There’s only one major problem with this beautiful scenario.

George enters the spirit world as George

Stop.  When you returned from your next lifetime, did you expect to be you again?  Well I did. That is until I really thought about how absurd and ego-centric that idea really was in practice.

George doesn’t return to the spirit world and turn back into Jennifer saying, “Wow, that was a really cool life as George, but I’m so glad to be back as Jennifer again!”

No, only George remains.  With George’s family, friends, memories and personality.

So where the hell am I?  Where is Jennifer’s memories and personality now?  Did she completely disappear when she decided to reincarnate as George?

Taking that a little further, what about all the lives behind me? I’m sure when they chose to reincarnate into me, they didn’t want to give up their own existence.  And when I die I certainly don’t want to turn into them in the spirit world, I want to be me – Jennifer.  And I’m sure George wouldn’t want to give up his personality when returning to the spirit world and become Jennifer again.  That would be absurd, from both his perspective in the future, and mine with regard to whomever decided to become me.

I know that’s a little confusing, but walk through a few lifetimes in your mind, complete with the traditional afterlife reunion – life review – reincarnation scenario and you’ll understand why reincarnation isn’t as simple as it sounds.  So do we lose our identities each time we take on a new one?

So how do we resolve this conundrum?

Faced with this existential crisis, I began poring through all of the books in my spiritual library for answers.  I’ve cobbled together some sort of understanding how our identity is preserved through multiple incarnations, and how or when we can revisit our personalities and memories again, even if we can only identify with one personality at a time right now.

Before we can make sense of the mechanics of reincarnation, we need to explore two aspects of the multidimensional afterlife that work differently that we are used to on earth: Time and perspective.

Time

Time is described by Spirits as ‘the spacious present’, or ‘a spiral’.  Ultimately, time as a chronological series of events is an illusion.  It doesn’t mean those events didn’t happen sequentially, but they are like little vignettes in a larger now that doesn’t itself have a chronology.  When you are watching a story on TV, you don’t expect the time that passes in the story to alter the time in which you are watching television.  The television show  are simply characters acting in a made-up time – a year that passes in their made-up story life has nothing to do with the time that exists in the real world.  That idea of illusory time is not very different from how our experience of time relates to time as it exists in the higher dimensions.  Just like the characters in the TV show are bound and absorbed by their time, we are similarly bound and obsessed by our time.  Outside of our dimension, it bears little semblance to reality.

Highly evolved spirits such as Elias (channeled by Mary Ennis, www.eliasweb.org) who have communicated with earth say that we are living all of our lives at the same time, or more specifically, in the same now.  Although we are living our lives concurrently, we can only currently understand them chronologically.  The human understanding of reincarnation is by definition sequential, so the illusion of chronological time is maintained loosely in the spirit world until we become advanced enough that we no longer need to incarnate. When we evolve spiritually to higher levels of the afterlife, we are introduced to a more sophisticated understanding of time (we become the TV watchers in the above metaphor, not the story characters).

Because we are living all of our lives concurrently, there will be some point at which we will stop incarnating and all of our lifetimes will end at the same time.  In our terms, that is in our future.  But in other terms that has already happened.  Confused? Hang on, it gets worse but I’ll try to explain why the concept of time or lack of it is vital to understanding reincarnation in a bit.

Perspective

The definition of the ego means something different in the afterlife – it’s more pliable and can be shared. We don’t lose the ‘I’ in ‘I am” but as a matter of perspective, that ‘I’ can move around, split up or be combined.  This is a bit brain-twisting, but stay with me.

The multidimensional afterlife is set up as a nested hierarchy of consciousness.

Think of an atom.  A single hydrogen atom is a self-contained unit – unique, individualized and sovereign. This atom can join two others to become a molecule of water.  The molecule is composed of, and contains the same properties of, the atoms that make it up, and yet the whole is more than the sum of its parts.  That molecule is also part of a larger system – a cell, which in itself is a self-contained, sovereign entity.  The cell then makes up the circulatory system, which is a component of a human, which is a component of several larger system of organizations.  Each part of the system is whole and independent, and yet comprises even larger systems that are also whole and independent.

Now, think of this in terms of consciousness.  Imagine you are floating above the earth, and that you can see all of the 7 billion people who live there.  Let’s say you have the ability to zoom into any one of those people’s mind and see their life from their perspective.  Then you can zoom out, pick a different person and zoom into their perspective.  Now imagine that you can do this all at once, with not just people, but with everything that creates the universe – every atom, cell, flower, dog, person, planet, the whole of human consciousness, the whole of the consciousness in the universe, or just the consciousness of a small sparrow – all at once, and all at the same time.

That is God’s perspective.

That is because God IS the consciousness of all that exists. Now this is a bit speculative, but it’s the best understanding I can come up with based on the limited information we have about God.  God makes up the consciousness and material of everything that exists, and yet he/she/it is greater than the sum of the parts.  Now, is God also made up of a larger system?  I haven’t come across the answer in any spiritual literature I’ve ever read.  The closest we have come is Seth’s description of God or All That Is.  I bolded the important part, but the whole thing is really worth reading for it explains the nested hierarchy better than I can.

Now — and this will seem like a contradiction in terms — there is nonbeing. It is a state, not of nothingness, but a state in which probabilities and possibilities are known and anticipated but blocked from expression.  Dimly, through what you would call history, hardly remembered, there was such state. It was a state of agony in which the powers of creativity and existence were known, but the ways to produce them were not known.  This is the lesson that All That Is had to learn, and that could not be taught. This is the agony from which creativity originally was drawn, and its reflection is still seen. […] All That Is retains memory of that state, and it serves as a constant impetus — in your terms — toward renewed creativity. Each self, as a part of All That Is, therefore also retains memory of that state. It is for this reason that each minute consciousness is endowed with impetus toward survival, change, development, and creativity. It is not enough that All That Is, as a primary consciousness gestalt, desires further being, but that each portion of It also carries this determination.
Yet the agony itself was used as a means, and the agony itself served as a impetus, strong enough so that All That Is initiated within Itself the means to be.  If – and this is impossible – all portions but the most minute last “unit” of All That Is were destroyed, All That Is would continue, for within the smallest portion is the innate knowledge of the whole. All That Is protects Itself, therefore, and all that It has and is and will create. When I speak of All That Is, you must understand my position with in It. All That Is knows no other. This does not mean that there may not be more to know. It does not know whether or not other psychic gestalts like It may exist. It is not aware of them if they do exist. It is constantly searching. It knows that something else existed before Its own primary dilemma when It could not express Itself. It is conceivable, then, that It has evolved, in your terms, so long ago that It has forgotten Its origin, that It has developed from still another Primary which has — again, in your terms — long since gone Its way. So there are answers that I cannot give you, for they are not known anywhere in the system in which we have our existence. We do know that within the system of our All That Is, creation continues and developments are never still. We can deduce that on still other layers of which we are unaware, the same is true.

God is the ultimate “I” (or eye, depending on how creepy you want to be about it).  Spiritual advancement is by definition the expansion of consciousness – moving more toward God-consciousness.  This expanded version of ourselves is what we commonly think of as our ‘higher self’.  So who is this ‘higher self’?  Well, its the personality that developes as a result of the sum total of all of the lifetimes we’ve lived.  My higher self contains Jennifer, George, Mary, Chan, Maurice, Hans, and whomever else I may have been or may be in the future.

Now here’s where time comes into the picture and makes it really confusing. Fasten your seat belts.

Although we are living our lives in what seems to be one lifetime after another, we are really living them all at once. Our higher self is done incarnating.  We are their past.  They are our future.  We will evolve into who they are now in the future.

Seth often talked about an entity called ‘Seth Two’.  Seth Two could be described as Seth’s future self, which had a more evolved, more expanded consciousness which included the ‘smaller’ Seth One.  Even though Seth Two already exists (because, you know, time = illusion), Seth One won’t gain Seth Two’s wider perspective until he himself advances spiritually. Seth Two is Seth One’s higher self, and also his future self.

Mind spinning yet?

One more example, then I’ll try to wrap this up in some way that is half-way understandable with our original Jennifer/George scenario.

I read a book recently called ‘Rita’s World: A View from the Non-Physical’.  This was a book written in 2015 by Frank DeMarco who collaborates with The Monroe Institute.  He worked with a woman by the name of Rita Warren, a teacher at the Monroe Institute on another book where they contacted higher entities.  After Rita passed away, Frank attempted to contact Rita himself and was successful.  In this passage, Rita describes what happened when she passed over, and the consciousness expansion that she went through.  Rita was spiritually advanced when she was on earth, so this isn’t necessarily what everyone will go through at death.

Expanding my awareness changed me, in effect, yet left me what I always was.  It changed me in the way that any new way of seeing things amounts to a new experience, which, integrated, amounts to a slightly or significantly altered being.  It left me unaffected in the sense that the particular individual consciousness that I had just laboriously fashioned in nearly 90 years of Earth-life was not altered or expunged (which would defeat the purpose, would it not?) but remained a resource. […] I am the same old Rita you know, and that is our connection.. but I am also so much more than the Rita you or I knew because I am the being of which I only partially and occasionally partook.  Both, not one or the other.  And I am aware of this because my consciousness expanded, rather than choosing or alternating, once free of the confines of 3D time […] I ceased to function as an autonomous individual in the way I thought myself to be while in 3D, and resumed functioning – rather, assumed my position for the first time, “Rita” not having been previously in existence before the life that created and shaped her – as part of the larger being.

Rita was sufficiently advanced upon going to the spirit world to recognize her connection to her higher self and assume the perspective that not only included Rita, and all of Rita’s personality and memories, but likely all of the life-times that she’s lived.  If someone from her past life wanted to connect with her, she could assume the personality she was to that person through the shared experiences and connection they had together.

Okay, so what if Jennifer – or George – is NOT sufficiently advanced enough to incorporate the memory of those past lives? Rita explains this as a type of amnesia for people who are overly fixated on the 3D world upon passing.  They identify so wholly with their ego that they cannot comprehend incorporating past lives, or else are fearful of losing the identity that they have.  This will unfortunately be what happens to the majority of us, simply based on all of the afterlife experiences I’ve read.  Galen Stoller, who I wrote a post about recently, tried to find out about his own past lives in the spirit world and was blocked from doing so by his guides because he wasn’t yet ready to incorporate the knowledge into his current personality.

You might say, but people on earth have memories of past lives, or participate in past life regressions – why are they allowed to if the knowledge is so sacred?  The answer is simple.  There is a big difference between the intellectual knowledge of who we were and how it relates to who we are now (the basis of past-life regression on earth), and actually incorporating the consciousness of those spirits into our current personality (what occurs in the spirit world as part of our advancement).

Let’s get back to our example.  George, my future self, has died and entered the spirit world.  Although his higher self has been enriched with all of the knowledge he’s gained through that lifetime, George himself  cannot relate it back to Jennifer’s perspective because he is too attached to himself as George (understandably).

Although Jennifer will always exist and be reachable through my higher self, my first-person perspective is now as George. George doesn’t care about Jennifer, in fact he probably doesn’t know she ever existed.

Think about it terms of yourself.  If you believe in reincarnation, then you were probably a completely different person before this life.  Do you really care enough about who they were enough to abandon your current personality to assume theirs? No, and I would expect that as George I wouldn’t care about who I was as Jennifer either.  I’d be too busy being George!

So what is someone from my lifetime as Jennifer wants to find me and speak to me as Jennifer?  Well, Jennifer is always available – my higher self will narrow the scope of its perspective and become just Jennifer again.  No problem.

Now, it goes without saying that our higher self is not where the hierarchy ends.  Our higher selves are components of even more evolved hierarchies – and it goes all the way to the top, to source, where God is the highest self of all. And yet, the beauty of it is that God is also the lowest self of all – for its consciousness is alive and presently aware in the smallest atom.  Now that is an awesome concept to consider.

So this brings up a final question that I hear a lot with regard to reincarnation.  Many people worry that a loved one in spirit will reincarnate before they join them there.  I’ve heard only two responses to this question and both are correct.

  1. Your loved one will wait until everyone he/she was close to is in the spirit world before you all decide to reincarnate together again.
  2. You leave part of your energy in the spirit world, so you never really leave it and can simultaneously be incarnated on earth and in the spirit world.

So how can they both be right?

I believe that every lifetime you’ve led is a part of your higher self and is always available, even when a different portion of your higher self is simultaneously incarnating on earth at the same time.  On the other hand, whatever identity you and your soul group are currently assuming at any given incarnational cycle will wait until the group is together before planning your next cycle.

There is a lot about how these hierarchies of consciousness work in theory and practice that we can’t possibly understand.  We may not even understand it while we are in the spirit world.  The good news is that we can go at our own pace.  It’s perfectly fine to continue to conceptualize reincarnation as a chronological succession of lives.  It’s good to know that our experiences and personality are never lost, even if we don’t consciously remember them from lifetime to lifetime.  We will one day be our own higher selves and assist in helping us make better decisions than we did at the time.  After all, Seth tells us that our choices affect our past as much as they affect our future (yikes).  Love is a constant even if much else doesn’t seem to be – the people we love have been with us for eternity – even though we may not have known it.

Even though I don’t fully understand the process – and may be completely wrong about what I have surmised here – I have faith in that process.  While we are independent beings, we seem to be vital components of the vast structure that comprises the God-consciousness.  We are important because we are a part of the source, and loved immensely for that reason.

So if you’ve read to the end, I thank you.  I know my posts are long and I appreciate your time.  This is how I pieced together the process of reincarnation based on research and a little logic, but let me know how you think the reincarnational process works.


 Sources

Seth Speaks: The Eternal Validity of the Soul, by Jane Roberts

The Nature of Personal Reality, by Jane Roberts

The Education of Oversoul Seven, by Jane Roberts

The Elias Transcriptions @ www.eliasweb.org as channeled by Mary Ennis

Journey of Souls, by Dr. Michael Newton

Destiny of Souls, by Dr. Michael Newton

Rita’s World: A View from the Non-Physical, by Frank DeMarco

Many Lives, Many Masters, by Dr. Brian Weiss

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84 thoughts on “Think You Understand Reincarnation? Think Again.

  1. Isn’t your pyramid scheme still based on fear of dissolution of the ego? To avoid the the self-evident and bitter answer that we, the ego selves, don’t reincarnate or continue. What does reincarnate, if it dies, isn’t something we identify with anyway, so it is only fair to say reincarnation for us doesn’t exist. That’s why the early Christians removed references to this nonsensical concept from the Bible.

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  2. You missed a very valid point that I have seen in reading many NDE testimonials. When people are on the other side, yet they are asked if they want to stay or go back, they say that when they look at the life they just left, it has no meaning to them. Its like a movie they just watched, and it was only when they thought of their wife/kids that they realized they did not want them to suffer, so decided to go back.
    That seems to be an on going theme. Your life here does not matter at all, its only what you learn and what you do that you take with you, not who you were here, since when you go back, you are the being you were before you came here, and not who you previously lived as. All previous lives are basically forgotten and discarded. You had a purpose here, and that is what is explored to see how well you managed it. But Jennifer and George were just like a costume you put on for a short play. Its how well you did, not who your characters were.

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    1. Agreed, but here on Earth, at least for me, that’s a difficult thing for my ego to accept. Not that I’m arrogant, but dissolution of self is tough. And the only self I know now is the self of Jennifer. So that’s what i struggle with. Who will i be if I’m not me?

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      1. Hi Jenn

        Just trying to think your last comment through and I think I would not possibly want to be the current personality I think of as “Me” for eternity. Probably only for as long as needed to be greeted by my immediate ancestors and to greet my immediate descendants.

        Other than that it may be that we explore what we need and or want in order to grow or rest. Maybe I go through a few easy lives and think I need to toughen up through poverty or disability. Or maybe I try to be spiritual for a couple of lives and decide I need to become a bastard next time to understand how those personalities are motivated (and possibly to work with others who want to learn how to deal with
        bastards).

        But isn’t the current understanding that we still have a CORE personality which seems to be stripped of its petty self beliefs and memories while building on its more eternal nature and ties with its soul “family” who also reincarnate regularly as parents, children, siblings, partners and close friends?

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      2. I understand, that is what we are while we are here. I would never say disregard that. You are Jenn, so that is who you live your life as. You said that when George dies, he enters the spirit world as George. No, that is not right. He enters the spirit world as the being he was BEFORE he was either Jennifer or George (or anyone else for that matter). you would be in essence, both the experiences of Jenn & George, but not the individual characteristics of either. We can assume any shape we want, the images of who we see of others we knew only look like that because they want to ease your soul back to home. They can look like anyone (I assume anyone we lived as). But you do not carry anything of George (or even Jennifer) as far as “who they were” back with you, you basically look back at the past life, as you would if you were playing character in a video game. But you take with you your experiences. When you memories come back, you are who you have always been. I would love to continue doing many of the things I did here for all of eternity (I am a hobbyist, so i love working with many materials to create things), and when I hear people say you don’t want to live forever because it will be boring, I think “not for me!” But I think it is a great thing that we have only recently been able to start to understand who we really are and our purpose here. You should be excited and thrilled, don’t let these ideas of many lives constrain you, use them to your advantage.
        One other thing that I am troubled about. I have been reading (and listening) to a lot of people who are saying that this world, and our afterlife is really not all the wonderful love that it is. There is more and more information that the beings we see in the afterlife (the Guides and the Eldars, not the other “students” like most of us), are actually keeping us “trapped” in this cycle of reincarnation. The idea of having to come back here over and over when we see that most of this world is hardship and suffering (esp in the past, today it is better, but we are all still slaves to the wealthy). They call it the reincarnation trap, and I am starting to believe it, that the “light” of love and warmth, the tunnel or going into the light, is the trap. And the guides and eldars keep telling you that you have to come back here because of Karma. And your mind is basically temporarily wiped when you are born here (Although many people do remember things, esp children) .They say this is totally false, there is never any need to come back here, there is nothing a powerful being that we are needs to learn here. They think “they” are using us to feed on all the negative energy that is being produced here, and I see it everywhere. I have asked myself, why is our society getting more harder to live in, why so much social injustice and chaos, why is the world being polluted to the point of killing it?
        I just wanted to bring this to your attention, there are a lot of videos and information about this, particularly the Wes Penre papers. They say an electromagnetic field surrounds this planet which keeps our souls trapped, but with all the spiritual awaking that has been going on, it is weakening, and there are holes you can escape through, and seek the true source. I know it sounds really silly, but if you dig you just might see how much sense it really makes. I strongly urge you to look into this for your own sake, when I die I want to be very aware of this, and see if that is true by immediately moving away from Earth, and see if its there. Just in case! I do NOT want to come back here – I know there must be uncountable good planets to come back to, since I was a child I never understood this world, and the more I learned how our society worked, the more out of touch with it I felt. Since I was in College (over 20 yrs ago), I have been telling people money does not work, and I just see the world in a much different light (when I saw Peter Joseph’s “Zeitgeist” series & the Venus Project, I knew that was everything I had been thinking all along) . So I imagine I came here from a better place, I just know I need to get away from this world until humans learn to live together is some sort of happiness. I hope you take an interest and learn more.

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        1. The idea that the Light and associated Love is a trap has occurred to me. Rather frightening to think we might be attracted to it like moths to their destruction in a flame etc. But rather more frightening to think that we could consign ourselves to eternal darkness by fleeing from the Light!

          As to the idea that we are duped into returning to suffer on Earth to provide negative energy to malevolent Elders, this seems unconvincing because such beings don’t advise us towards selfishness and violence, they always advise us to reduce suffering on Earth.

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  3. Well thst certainly explains Seth books and my own experiences with past life and inbetween life regressions. I love Anita Moorjani and her explanation of a tapestry with individual threads is a beautiful analogy in her NDE. Thanyou. Much appreciated

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  4. Oh, what the heck. May I blah one more time? George and Jennifer, whom you mention, are hardly very fixed. Their bodies alone are highly unstable wriggling wormlike trajectories tracked along just one possible spacetime contnuum, not to mention all the diffusion out of body dreaming and so forth. Their notions of who and what they are are not likely to be particularly stable throughout a single lifetime beyond the “I” itself, which is pretty shareable: I’m not sure George and Jennifer mind at all trading off being each other or even playing at being Georgifer and Jeenge.

    Do you have any means of deleting if one regrets blathering on, by the way?

    best regards,

    M

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    1. Thank you, James! I’m curious, if you happen to read this reply, as a Past Life Regressionist, what would you tell people who struggle with the idea that they have led different lives before and will lead different lives in the future? Do any of your clients struggle with this concept? Thanks for your comment! -Jenn

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  5. I don’t have a problem with the various identities. One takes them on as an actor takes on any succession of roles. Seth has certainly saved my life, with its confusion of sexual complexities and the background threat of guilt and terror associated with the worst of Christian Hell nightmare paranoia. What a relief to find obvious and compelling wisdom. That said, the quality, texture and subtlety of understanding is what matters. Bach still says it better. Shakespeare still says it better Stay immersed in the human culture available. This is the incarnation of miracle..

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    1. Always glad to meet a fellow appreciator of the Seth Material. Thank goodness you escaped from that Christian drama so filled with hate and judgement. A reality like that could only be conceived of by man. Thanks for your comment M, all the best. -Jenn

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      1. Thanks for the kind response…

        Actually, I was looking around for a way to delete the comment. “Incarnation of miracle” was fatuous. I was referring only to human communications about reality and the media employed for that purpose, including but not limited to literal language descriptions such as those kindly offered by Seth, which do obviously meet significant needs but are, as he acknowledges, not alone sufficient for the task. Perception of miracle beyond human efforts to describe, of course, goes on into infinity. Anyway, I’ll cease compounding the blah right now.

        All best,

        M

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  6. The traditional answer is that you never lose the personality. You have an Oversoul/Godself which is the sum total experience of all personalities you have ever lived. When you return as George, not only are you George but you are also Jennifer in perfect cooperative union with George. You will actually be able to access the Akashic Records and see/experience your past lives during your recuperation in purgatory. And even without the memories, you will still exhibit the characteristics of George. But generally speaking, the memories are out of bounds even in the Astral realms. They are too heavy to hold for a soul, until it is ready to unite with the Oversoul or the Causal Body.

    At least, this is the original metaphysics. The gist is that the answer is already there for you, even without the time space conundrum. So go figure.

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  7. Seth: “A death is but one night to the soul. The vaster entity of which you are part follows your progress as easily as you follow your own through the days. As a rule most of you wake up in the same bed in the same house or town, but certainly you wake up as the same person in the same century. In those terms the entity wakes up as a different person each day, in a different century, each life seeming like a day in its level of experience. It carries the memory and simultaneous experience of each of those selves.

    (A one-minute pause at 9:55.) Give us time . . .A form is basically nonphysical. What you see of form is only that part that can be effectively active or materialized within your system of reality. So the entity in its own way possesses what you can think of as future neuronal structures. Underline that whole last sentence. Within that vast form is your own, which is briefer, yet is not lost, not limited and not predetermined. You form your corner of the universe, which is itself a part of another one. Within this the actions and beliefs of one affect all.
    (Slowly at 10:03:) Each part is vital, and in one way or another there is instant communication between the smallest and the largest, the cobweb and the spider, the man, the entity, and the star — and each spins its own web of probabilities from which other universes continually spring.”

    http://www.vielewelten.at/pdf_en/jane%20roberts.pdf (page 268)

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  8. First, there is no proof that Bashar is an alien and I should know since I run the biggest, baddest alien forum on the planet. I have never seen him do any alien tricks for instance.

    I have never seen him/it prove that he is a First Contact specialist. Wouldn’t it have a military suit and some badges? So there is that.

    @Namche you post eloquently but honestly there is little substance to chew on.

    nivek

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  9. Hi,
    As dar as I’ve read about Dr. Newton’s works, and NDEs, once past the life review and a possible period of restoration, the spirit rejoin the rest of his energy. All of it. In this energy are all the lives, which are all experienced together as memory. So your consciousness would expand from that of George or Jennifer into something far larger, that also incorporates the memories of George and Ajeniffer in it. I like to think of it as if playing a game of rpg, say, DVD but fully immersed, forgetting who “I am” truly. Once in character, I fully impersonate that personality, behaviors, wants and needs. Once out of character, I appreciate the journey from a higher point of view, taking all my previous characters and experiences into consideration for the next step in my journey of growth as a “player”.
    It only seems natural. You just have to go beyond your idea of who”you are” and understand that you are neither George nor Jennifer. You are simply the observer/experiencer. Everything else are just layers on top, extra flavoring to craft a particular experience.
    I have also read that time in the spirit world does not exist per se, but things still happen sequentially. It is just change. Time is a concept we have created for our understanding and reference here. It doesn’t exist period. All that exists is now and the growth happening now, always.

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  10. You are a soul, living a single live (a single incarnation). At the same time you are part of your oversoul (20 000 lives currently incarnated on earth), equally able to perceive yourself as the oversoul experiencing itself (yourself) as the entity which has all the different lives at the same time (all the past and future incarnations from a linear space-time perspective). Even when experiencing yourself as oversoul you are doing that with your ‘I’- identity which never dissolves even up to the level where you experience yourself as god. You are the eternal and individuated ‘I’-aspect of ‘All-that-is’ and this individualized perspective can never be destroyed. You are just becoming more of yourself, the higher you are going. Bashar is using the term ‘Indra’s net’ to describe a necklace where any of the other pearls are reflected in every of the other pearls of the necklace, so that each of the pearls contains the information of every other pearl (without becoming them or giving up the ‘single-pearl-identity’. The necklace itself would be the oversoul or an even higher level from which every single pearl could reflect on the necklace and any other pearl. (‘Mirror, mirror’, 2017). The principle of a hologram, not necessarily a necklace, but an infinite grid of pearls in ancient texts.

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    1. When you put a black dot on one of the pearls (‘your’ pearl) all the other pearls do reflect the black dot immediately. And vice versa. You are an informational nodal point. At all levels. And you never give up your ‘I’-identity. Nor does any of the other individuated ‘I’ perspectives which are equally part of creation.

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      1. “YOU have never been any of those other people as a person, but from the oversoul perspective you can say you are all those persons. You can create that as an experience: having a life: dying, having another life: dying, having another life again: dying…because it is a perspective of how you are looking at the structure, but it is not an actual description of the actual mechanism at work. This is why 50 people can say “I was Cleopatra”. (Bashar’s Birthday Gift, 2017)

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  11. Bashar uses three different terms to describe something which is not easy to capture. Furthermore, the terms are not used absolutely consistently. Parallel realities and parallel lives are used somewhat interchangeably.

    a) Time lines
    b) Parallel realities
    c) Parallel versions of ourselves.

    A timeline covers the lifespan of one person. It can be a few hours or days, a few years, 100 years or longer. There are timelines of personalities living their lives right now in the 21st century, in previous centuries, and in future centuries. There may be more than one life currently going on in the present for which the same oversoul is in charge of. Those are then overlapping lives going on concurrently during your own timeline. You could even physically meet with those other persons. The past and the future lives are the lives we refer to when we speak of our past and future reincarnations. They are all going on simultaneously, because there is only one moment. There is only ‘now’. But from our linear space-time perspective some of them already happened, while others are still to come. You can cross-connect to those lives in the dream-state, in meditations, or by using your imagination, to the extent that they are relevant for your current live, your circumstances and the theme you have chosen for this life. But you are not them (the persons living those lives) and you will never be or become them. The overall number of those lives is oscillating depending on their relevance for you. Most of those lives take place on earth, some on other planets.

    A parallel reality is another one of the infinite number of single virtual reality frames which are per se static and have no movement or live in them. We are all shifting through those different frames at an incredibly high speed, ultimately looking through the eyes of versions of us which are located in those specific frames. Those static versions are part of a larger holographic environment (the background) which is static as well. Our consciousness is constantly shifting through those frames, thus creating the illusion of time, movement, and experience. We are part of a specific scenery which does correspond to the frequency at which we vibrate. If we do not like the situation, we are free to shift to a scenery which is entirely different. The physical mechanism of shifting is always the same. We reach the preferred scenery (the static reality frames we prefer) by matching the frequency of those frames with our own vibration. In particular with the frequency of our belief systems. Our belief systems are the decisive factor. They are the ‘navigator’ and can bring us towards the version of earth we prefer. We never change the world we are on. We shift towards a version of earth we prefer.

    Parallel versions of ourselves. Every lifetime in the past, the present, and the future comes with an infinite number of parallel lives (parallel versions of that life) unfolding in parallel realities by an infinite number of versions of ourselves which are not ‘us’. They are unfolding based on the same physical mechanism. Some of the static reality frames, which we are not using for our own life-stream, are used for parallel lives. They can be very similar to the frames we are using, different from our frames by just one atom, by some more atoms, by some miniscule issues, by more significant issues, in some cases by major issues, and finally by issues (events and circumstances) which have nothing to do anymore with the frames we are using for creating our illusion of continuity when shifting through them at the rate of Planck time to unfold our own life experiences. As one oversoul does host approximately 20 000 lives (mostly on earth), there must be parallel oversouls as well, orchestrating the lives of the multitude of parallel selves. On rare occasions Bashar actually uses the term parallel oversoul, but he did not yet delineate it so far, or describe the intersections between oversouls. Unfortunately, the questions which are being asked by the questioners in the sessions have not yet been precise enough to clarify that point. From a functional point of view the parallel lives (Bashar) correspond to what Seth describes as probable selves, in thus they ensure that any action which wants to be realized because there is a certain probability for it, is being materialized somewhere by someone. Bashar does not use categories such as probable selves or alternate selves. Whales are oversouls of dolphins. Oversouls of humans can not materialize on earth as there is no organism living on the surface of earth which is big enough to host the consciousness conglomerate of so many individual souls. Christ, Buddha, and Krishna did represent the overall consciousness of the entire planet.

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